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By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
OK, Folks,
Some of us are former (?) Democrats, some of us are moderate (?) Republicans and some of us are neither. We all have differing views on subjects like George W Bush and US Foreign and Domestic Policy. These views are not going to change any time soon, if ever, and there is no point arguing about them. We do agree on certain things, the Constitution must be preserved and defended, Washington needs to be cleaned up, the economic problems of the Country, Governmental and otherwise need to be addressed and mitigated and our freedoms must be preserved. We all agree that Obama is going to impact negatively on all of these concerns. Most of us would agree that both major parties are broken beyond all reasonable hope of repair and that Obama is a symptom of that. Were the country not in the equivalent of a state of clinical depression Obama would not just have won the popular vote, which he did (though how much of that vote was fraudulent we will never know). The biggest single factor in his win was the fact that approximately 15% of Republicans did not vote at all. In effect it would not have mattered how many Democrats crossed over, that short fall screwed the pooch because there was no way enough Democrats were ever going to cross over to offset that.
So if you are a Republican you should ask yourself if you are in the right party and if you were/are a Democrat you already know you weren’t.
It has happened before in the history of the nation and the result was the formation of a new party, one of which was the Republican Party, so don’t say it cannot succeed. The Bull Moose Party got pretty close to success too and many of us would have voted Bull Moose back in the day. We need to start the construction of a new party right now to take back the Congress and the White House for sanity.
Obama is something new, a spontaneous mutation if you like, the equivalent of a flu virus in the body politic. Any system can deal with most viruses given time but there are also horrors like Ebola that you can’t cope with.
We can and must try for a quick cure. Perhaps the SCOTUS or the College of Electors will listen and we have to try to make them, but don’t hold your breath. Andy Martin’s strategy seems a good way to go and perhaps Vieira can be persuaded to weigh in, it looks possible. In any event we must throw as much help as we can to any attempt at disqualification, even down to putting our weight behind suits we may disagree with. The preservation of the Constitution is the Number 1 priority.
Should I be right about Article II Eligibility the Inauguration of Obama would, at the least, nullify the Natural Born Citizen Clause of Article II under the 14th Amendment, at the worst it would nullify the entire Constitution.
However, we have to consider the probability that Obama, usurper or not, will be in power for at least the next four years. There are a lot of legal things that can happen to prevent him from taking Office in January and we must work to try to bring them about but we must plan on the assumption that they will fail.
We know that this Presidency will be a disaster. Already the foreign press, “The Times” and “The Daily Telegraph” in the UK, “The Sydney Morning Herald” in Australia, “The Toronto Star” in Canada, “El Pais” in Spain, and “The Jerusalem Post” in Israel, among many others, are going negative on him to at least as great a degree as they are negative about GWB, and the President of Russia is ignoring Obama’s very existence, according to the “Moscow Times”. Frankly being favored by Hugo Chavez, Colonel Gadhafi or the Iranian President does not offset being despised or ignored by the EU and Russia.
President Sarkoczy has already condemned Obama as “naive and immature” and Chancellor Merkel has said very much the same thing. I’ve never seen this set in quite as quickly, American prestige has dropped even lower in the world already. The Stock Market dropped again too. His policies have already been condemned by at least one major expert as an amalgam of old ideas all of which have previously failed either in this country or others (I’ll be writing an article about that). As for Universal National Service and the Global Poverty Reduction Act, well, for once I am at a loss for words (I’ve got an article on the Draft hanging around somewhere). “Hope” and “Change” aren’t going to cut it for him, he is still more than two months from the Oath and academia and the world press, the EU’s major politicians and the Russian President are yelling it to the rooftops that he is screwed, blued and tattooed. That will spread, “The Chicago Tribune” is admitting that these things are being said right now.
Appointing Rahm Emanuel COS doesn’t help either, he’s an ex-director of Freddie Mac and the son of a known terrorist. I’m not joking about the terrorism either, look up the Irgun and the King David Hotel Bombing, that’ll curl your hair for you! Not to mention that in spite of his father’s beliefs he does a very good impression of being pro-Palestinian. Don’t bother telling me he was a prime fundraiser for and member of Bill Clinton’s clique, I didn’t like it then and I like it even less now. Even ABC and the “Chicago Sun-Times” are publicizing this little morsel!
The fact that his people are already apparently preparing to negate 200 of GWB’s Signing Orders and to replace them with others should worry anyone who opposed GWB’s excessive use of this possibly Unconstitutional Instrument of Government.
I’m still telling the younger family members to get out of Dodge, but unless Obama actually brings in censorship, I’m staying to help the Loyal Opposition. Nice phrase the British have there and appropriate. However, I’m going to be away for the next couple of weeks working on a project in Europe and not able to post any articles, because I won’t have the time to write them. It takes effort to write in a style I borrowed from somebody else anyway. Try mangling your own English and punctuation for several months and you will see it isn’t easy.
We have to at least try to build a new party because it is quite clear the old ones don’t care what happens to the country most of us have to live in.
I can’t understand why businesses are backing Obama, he’s already a major economic disaster and getting worse. They must know something I don’t and it must be something very significant. Whatever it is isn’t going to help the ordinary American citizen, that’s for sure.
Even if we have the good fortune to get Obama disqualified we should build this new party for, whatever our differences over things in the past, we share a common vision for the future and for these United States.
So, lets get out there and keep hauling. Five weeks to try for the SCOTUS or the College of Electors, during and after that we help the foreign press to reveal the truth about Obama and see what that does. Simultaneously we begin the building of a new party to which we can all feel some genuine loyalty whatever we were before this election. This is the first time since Teddy Roosevelt’s day that such an effort has had a real chance of working, both major parties are fractured to the root and many millions of us have been disenfranchised in real terms. To quote Edmund Burke:
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”
UPDATE:
Expect nothing to come from Philip J Berg’s Suit.
1) Berg has zero credible evidence Obama was born in Kenya. It doesn’t even matter if he is right, he has nothing that would hold up in court. The rest of his case is based on the assumption that Stanley Ann Dunham obeyed Indonesian, International and US Law. She didn’t, because if she had this whole case would be unnecessary in the first place, Obama would be listed as a Naturalized US Citizen, which he clearly never has been. If he still is an Indonesian Citizen, Obama would find it almost impossible to Qualify. He certainly has been a UK & C, Kenyan and Indonesian Citizen and that should rule him out too. All of that should emerge as a byproduct of Berg’s Suit but Berg refuses to argue it and nobody on the Bench wants to hear it.
The Judge in Virginia is correct, to this extent, that the supposition that Obama was born in Kenya is to be regarded as frivolous without more evidence. If he said anything else he would be wrong to do so. Any suit based on Berg’s will suffer from the fundamental problem that there is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere other than Honolulu, Hawaii. Indeed, his Indonesian School Record explicitly states that he was born there and I see no logical reason to assume that that is wrong. I might be wrong about Article II but I’m nearly certain anyone who thinks Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii must be wrong.
2) I assume Justice Souter is trying to run out the clock because he does not want the responsibility making anything but a procedural judgment entails, none of the judges in any of the suits want that.
3) I would guess Justice Souter doesn’t want to take the issue of Eligibility before the whole SCOTUS. If he does, like it or not, it won’t be Berg’s claims that put the stake in Obama, it will be Jay, Blackstone, Kent and Swayne. The SCOTUS would be obliged to disqualify Obama and decertify the election if that came up and they don’t have the backbone to do it, and I don’t really blame them.
4) If (3) very few people in the country would understand why they did it, because most people are still chanting “Born in the USA, mother a US Citizen!” like a bunch of zombies in a George E Romero movie. (This by the way includes some Judges, Surrick proves that not all Judges understand Logic, or Law). There would be a backlash against the SCOTUS, probably a violent one. Bush would be blamed and God alone knows what would happen.
5) The SCOTUS know Obama will appoint Justices who suit him. Most people think that means “Liberal” Justices. It doesn’t look as if anybody he appoints would be Liberal, in my meaning of the term, “Libertarian Paternalism” is anything but Liberal. (And don’t expect either Clinton to be on the list because HRC has already said that isn’t going to happen. She also doesn’t expect a Cabinet Post or Senate Majority Leader. Frankly, I’d be stunned if any of those things were on the table.) I must also add that everybody assumes that the number of Justices is necessarily fixed and that no Justice will be Impeached, both assumptions are flawed.
Any effort to prove Obama’s Ineligibility would require huge sums of money be expended and anybody who has that kind of money and wishes to do it self apparently isn’t interested in doing it right now. Carlyle is right in this, as in a lot of other things, in my opinion, that advertisement in “USA Today” ain’t gonna happen!
I had hoped that the Internet was a powerful enough tool to get the information on Article II to enough people to make a difference, or to spur the right people into action. Like Cassandra of old I think that I have failed to achieve either result. Barring a miracle, Obama will take Office in January. Fortunately I believe in miracles, as I believe in God.
Whether they know it or not, whether they believe it or not every person who voted for Obama and every person who refused to vote against him just agreed to the nullification of the Natural Born Citizen clause of Article II of the Constitution of the United States and, by implication and inter alia, to the nullification of the entire Constitution, including all Amendments. Call me whatever you want, people told Hervey he was wrong when he wrote about “the circulation of the blood”, they rejected “the germ theory of disease” and the notion of “vector transmission”, I’m right about Article II and “The Appearance of Foreign Allegiance”. Obama, Souter, Surrick, Tribe, Olson, Aleinikoff, Roberts, Alito, Scalia, etc, etc all know it full well, but the bulk of the People of this Great Nation don’t know and don’t really care.
New Zealand, the most reliably conservationist country in the world, the country that wanted to give Civil Rights to chimpanzees, just elected a small government conservative as Prime Minister. Rudd in Australia and Brown in the UK are on borrowed time. Where is Obama going to find allies? Kenya? Indonesia? Venezuela, maybe. Not China in any big hurry, and not the EU.
The USA, as a whole, is going to get the blame for the world Financial Crisis, is already getting it. I’ll be honest, most of the blame lies on the Democratic Party and neither they, nor Obama are going to do anything to fix it because they can’t without shelving his entire platform in toto. Most of the solutions he seems to be proposing have all been tried in the UK already under the Labour Party, they failed miserably and resulted in crashing inflation and devaluation and led to Margaret Thatcher’s period in power in the UK. Brown is still trying the same things post Thatcher. Hi Gordon, how’s that working out for you? The bit the Brits haven’t tried (though my British relatives tell me it isn’t because both Labour and Thatcher wouldn’t have liked to), his Mass Draft and Public Works Programs look like Stalinist Russia. As I recall that little experiment didn’t work either! The Dems are offering the USA the same fate Labour have given the UK. Pardon me for not favoring that idea, it’s one of the reasons I didn’t enjoy my periods of living there as much as I might have. It isn’t pleasant to live in a country that is busily flushing its Constitution and History down the pan!”
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Good article, Judah, as usual. I’m ready to join a third party. The other two have left us. I also believe in miracles and just keep hoping that one arrives within the next 2 months.
Funny you should mention movies (Romero). Last night, waking from yet another nightmare, a remembrance of movies past came to me. Did you happen to see “Wild in the Streets”? My God, the parallels.
You might check out to see what is going on at:
http://www.democratic-disaster.com//index.php
It might be a futile attempt but you have to try.
I do not believe Souter is running out the clock, and the very need for Obama to respond to the writ once again will have him arguing he doesn’t have to prove anything.
The Electoral college will respond to the news, and could very well NOT be satisfied he has proven his eligibility.
It doesn’t matter what you think of Berg or the case, the entire case should not have been thrown out on the issue of standing alone. I agree, and that is why the writ. At the very least we might be able to get us to show the COLB and everything else.
If there is doubt, which there is, all his electoral dreams will go out the window. The outcome of this election has not been decided yet, there are still more twists and turns.
Judah,
Though I respect all the important work you’ve done at this site, with all due respec, I must disagree with some of what you have written, above
I have no use for Eleazar or anyone else associated with Obama. Period. However, it is not necessary to discredit the henchman to dicredit his boss, especially when his boss is as corrupt as this one is.
If Irgun, fighing for the establishment of a Jewish homeland, was a terrorist organization, so was America’s Sons of Liberty.
If you condemn a man because of who his father was, why not condemn all the children of America’s Vietnam-era anti-war protesters? Maybe you or your friends are among them.
If you condemn Eleazar because his father was a champion of a free Jewish homeland, how do you also condemn him for being pro-Pasletinian, which is the antithesis of supporting such a state? You can’t have it both ways, you know. Further, Eleazar voluntarily served in Israel during the first Gulf war. What his views about Israel and the Palestnians have become since then we will soon find out.
No doubt Eleazar, like all of Obama’s ingroup, is a scoundrel, but not because of his parentage or his past service to the state of Israel.
3 drkate
Kate,
As my old mother would have said, “From your mouth to God’s ears.”
Everybody,
Those interested in something that may be cooking in the direction of political renewal might check out Lady Lynn Forrester de Rothschild’s new web site. Don’t know if she’s headed there, but forming a new political party takes brains, money, and contacts. Lady Lynn, former Hillaey supporter, has all three. I signed up for her e-mail.
http://www.together4us.com/index.html
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An Open Letter to Barack Obama:
Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?
Are you legally eligible to hold the Office of President?
Dear Mr. Obama:
On October 24, 2008, a federal judge granted your request to dismiss a lawsuit by Citizen Philip Berg, who challenged your eligibility under the “Natural Born Citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution to legally hold the office of President of the United States of America.
Mr. Berg presented factual evidence to the Court in support of his claim that you are either a citizen of your father’s native Kenya by birth, or that you became a citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing your prior citizenship when you moved there with your mother in 1967.
In your response to the lawsuit, you neither denied Mr. Berg’s claims nor submitted any evidence which would refute his assertions. Instead, you argued that the Court lacked the jurisdiction to determine the question of your legal eligibility because Mr. Berg lacked “standing.”
Astonishingly, the judge agreed, simply saying, “[Mr. Berg] would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary [sic] in living memory.”
Unfortunately, your response to the legal claim was clearly evasive and strikingly out of character, suggesting you may, in fact, lack a critical Constitutional eligibility necessary to assume the Office of President: i.e., that you are not a “natural born” citizen of the United States or one who has relinquished his American citizenship.
Before you can exercise any of the powers of the United States, you must prove that you have fully satisfied each and every eligibility requirement that the Constitution mandates for any individual’s exercise of those powers.
Regardless of the tactics chosen in defending yourself against the Berg lawsuit, significant questions regarding your legal capacity to hold this nation’s highest office have been put forth publicly, and you have failed to directly refute them with documentary evidence that is routinely available to any bona fide, natural born U.S. Citizen.
As one who has ventured into the fray of public service of his own volition, seeking to possess the vast powers of the Office of President, it is not unreasonable to demand that you produce evidence of your citizenship to answer the questions and allay the concerns of the People. Indeed, as the one seeking the office, you are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence to establish your eligibility as explicitly mandated by Article II of the Constitution.
Should you proceed to assume the office of the President of the United States as anything but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States that has not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national disaster, placing our Republic at great risk from untold consequences. For example:
· Neither the Electoral College on December 15, nor the House of Representatives on January 6 would be able to elect you, except as a poseur – a usurper;
· As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” of office on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible for the Office of the President you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States;
· Your every act in the usurped Office of the President would be a criminal offense as an act under color of law that would subject the People to the deprivation of their constitutional rights, and entitling you to no obedience whatsoever from the People;
· as a usurper acting in the guise of the President you could not function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states, as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you;
· No one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally VOID;
· Your appointment of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be VOID ab initio (i.e., from the beginning), no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take as well as rendering any such acts by such appointed officials void as well;
· Congress would not be able to pass any new laws because they would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President, rendering all such legislation legally VOID;
· As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper.
As an attorney and sitting U.S. Senator, I’m sure you agree that our Constitution is the cornerstone of our system of governance. It is the very foundation of our system of Law and Order – indeed, it is the supreme law of the land. I’m sure you also agree that its precise language was no accident and cannot be ignored if Individual, unalienable, natural Rights, Freedoms and Liberties are to be protected and preserved.
As our next potential President, you have a high-order obligation to the Constitution (and to those who have fought and died for our Freedom) that extends far beyond that of securing a majority of the votes of the Electoral College. No matter your promises of change and prosperity, your heartfelt intent or the widespread support you have garnered in seeking the highest Office of the Land, the integrity of the Republic and Rule of Law cannot, — must not — be put at risk, by allowing a constitutionally ineligible person to sit, as a usurper, in the Office of the President.
No matter the level of practical difficulty, embarrassment or disruption of the nation’s business, we must — above all — honor and protect the Constitution and the divine, unalienable, Individual Rights it guarantees, including the Right to a President who is a natural born citizen of the United States of America that has not relinquished his American citizenship. Our nation has endured similar disruptions in the past, and will weather this crisis as well. Indeed, it is both yours and the People’s mutual respect for, and commitment to, the Constitution and Rule of Law that insures the perpetuation of Liberty.
As a long time defender of my state and federal Constitutions, and in consideration of the lack of sufficient evidence needed to establish your credentials as President, I am compelled to lodge this Petition for Redress of Grievances and public challenge to you.
Make no mistake: This issue IS a Constitutional crisis. Although it will not be easy for you, your family or our Republic, you have it within your ability to halt this escalating crisis by either producing the certified documents establishing beyond question your eligibility to hold the Office of President, or by immediately withdrawing yourself from the Electoral College process.
With due respect, I hereby request that you deliver the following documents to Mr. Berg and myself at the National Press Club in Washington, DC at noon on Monday, November 17, 2008:
(a) a certified copy of your “vault” (original long version) birth certificate;
(b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names
Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham
and Barry Dunham;
(c) a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship;
(d) a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity;
(e) certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia
University and Harvard Law School; and
(f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name
from Barry Soetoro.
In the alternative, in defense of the Constitution, and in honor of the Republic and that for which it stands, please announce before such time your withdrawal from the 2008 Presidential election process.
“In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”
Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 469-471.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter.
Sincerely,
Robert L. Schulz,
Founder and Chairman, We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.
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Yesterday, I read an interesting article in the paper. It concerned how the Taliban and other terrorists in Afghanistan are (surprise, surprise) deliberately using civilians as human shields.
One example given is how the Taliban takes large groups of civilians hostage (such as wedding parties–sound familiar?), immediately prior to attacking Afghan and US troops. When coalition forces return fire, civilians are killed or wounded because they were put in the crossfire on purpose by the Taliban just so that they can later scream “atrocity!” to a compliant Western press, which predictably accuses the US of murdering civilians in cold blood.
This story made sure to mention how much of a quandary this will be for the Obama administration.
Now, why is this so interesting?
Because this is NOTHING NEW!!!!
The only thing new about it is that suddenly the OMSM has decided to report the tactic. Why?
Because they MUST explain this situation in advance, so that the NEW Commander in Chief doesn’t get blamed for civilian deaths, as George Bush has been vilified for civilian deaths since the war began. And he’s not the only one blamed.
Remember how That One accused our troops of “just” indiscriminately air raiding villages and killing women and children?
For the past 7+ years, this has been the meme from the MSM and supporters of That One.
But now that THEIR CANDIDATE will be sitting in the White House, suddenly the narrative changes. Only now will they report the truth about the war and the nature of our enemy.
Under Obama, the troops will once again become heroes and will no longer be “cold blooded” killers, to borrow a phrase from Jack Murtha.
Are you beginning to realize how the MSM HAS LIED to us for at least the past 8 years, if not longer?
JPJ: Anoother great article. I post a lot of commentary here becasue I’ve studied and read a great deal and I “think” I have a lot of things figured out. But this time I am completely baffled. The more I research this and the more I turn it over in my mind, the more baffled I become. Can anyone explain this to me?
If I were a Democrat congressman or elector, I would be first in line screaming to get this resolved. If I believed this were BS, I would want to smack the fools and get it over with (there are millions of them and they aren’t going away quietly unless that happens). If I were even a little concerned, I would want to get it sorted out sooner rather than later. The impact to my party and to the country gets worse the longer it waits. There is no downside to investigating this and a huge upside all around. Overall, the silence and evasion makes no sense to me.
Comments? Opinions? Enlightenment?
PS – I agree that there is little, if any, credible evidence that BHO was born in Kenya. But neither is there any credible evidence that he was born in Hawaii. One of these days somebody important is going to wise up and realize that the burden of proof rests on Obama, not us. We shouldn’t have to be scurrying around making up credible alternatives. The “accusation” against Obama is pure and simple. Show us the documents. It is a reasonable and righteous request. Period.
To Mary
I have nothing but respect for the Israelis, however the Irgun and the Stern Gang were terrorists, every bit as much as Hamas or al Qaeda today. The IRA are terrorists too, and so are the UVF. Nobility of cause hardly excuses mass murder. I see no connection between the behavior of anti-war protestors and terrorists.
People see Obama’s association with Ayers and Dohrn, and other ex-Weathermen as relevant, so how is being the son of a terrorist irrelevant? I do not believe Rahm Emanuel shares his father’s views, or would support what he did but he can hardly be unaffected by his father’s beliefs one way, or another.
To Judah Benjamin,
Thank you so much for your input. Excellent perspective. Excellent reading.
I totally agree with you on every point. Especially about the “flu virus”. Maybe it will have to run it’s course and we will develop an immunity.
I am concerned though. What if it turns out to be some man made mutation for which there is no vaccine and it spreads everywhere?
The black plague comes to mind.
(Not meant to be a rascist pun on words)
Having been a staunch supporter of the Republican Party all my life, I feel like I am on the horns of a dilemma. Do I stay with the Republicans or jump ship to something else, like the Constitutionalist Party? I don’t know if the broken can be rebuilt. I don’t know if the new can garner support.
To Mary (10)
Excerpt from Debbie Schlussel’s site. Please read and get a better perspective:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/
“They are Jews like Jewish News owner Arthur Horwitz who, last week, endorsed Obama in his left-wing rag and this week commemorates the 70th anniversary of Kristallnacht. Through all of this, he is engaged in a commercial partnership with Hezbollah agent, Osama Siblani, owner of the Arab American News–who openly praises Farrakhan’s anti-Semitic hate and HAMAS and Hezbollah terrorist attacks on Jews, prints vile anti-Semitic editorials against Detroit-area Jews, and whose brother is an executive of Al-Manar (Hezbollah’s TV station). Horwitz is trying to promote Siblani’s paper and make it more effective and lucrative.”
To Carlyle
I agree it is Obama’s duty to produce the proof and that we shouldn’t have to. I wish someone in a position of power would wise up. The request is utterly righteous.
I bend over backwards to try to be fair. The evidence is not conclusive in any way but the probability, based on his Indonesian School Records, his apparently legally unsanctioned change of name and the statements of the
Hawaiian Officials heavily favors the notion of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii.
10 Judah Benjamin
“People see Obama’s association with Ayers and Dohrn, and other ex-Weathermen as relevant, so how is being the son of a terrorist irrelevant?”
Thank you for your prompt reply. First, for reasons historical and moral, I disagree with the equation between Irgun/Stern and Hamas. Second, being the son of an alleged terrorist is not the same as being the alleged terrorist oneself. Third, do you recall the case of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? They gave the A-Bomb formula to USSR after WWII and were executed for treason. I have no idea what became of their children, but would it have been the American way to deny those sons anything from employment, to security clearances, to passport because of their parents crime?
No doubt I would look askance at the children of Ayers and Dohrn, but I would not automatically conclude that they are cut from the same cloth. It is simply wrong to stigmatize a child because of his parents behavior. It is, in effect, punishing him for being born. Te Biblical injunction, “The sins of the father shall be visited upon the son,” was created to frighten the credulous into social and religious conformity. It is not compatible with who and what America is.
I suspect there is plenty wrong about the in-you-face Mr. Eleazar, but who his father was is not one of them.
I do, however, agree with you about the outcome of the Berg suit. From my perspective, for Souter to do what is expedient rather than what is moral in this particular case expresses a willingness to aid and abet treason rather than risk professional discomfort snd vulnerability. The real danger is that Obama will have gone a long way toward eliminating our system or checks and balances. You are perhaps ultimately correct. To flout the Constitution is to negate it.
Hey Judah! “Third” parties already exist. Our system just isn’t made for a third way, that’s all.
The Constitution and Libertarian parties sucked voters away from the Republican Party because McCain was not a Conservative (strict constructionist) of the U.S.Constitution. Feels like the “Revenge of Perot” all over again.
Obama should just produce the birth certificate that he spoke about in the book he supposedly wrote. I, like so many others, couldn’t bring myself to buy the thing. But I did read quotes in other more readable books. The audacity in this election is that he obviously doesn’t think he has to prove who he is. What is even more ridiculous is the fact that he will probably pull off the biggest lie ever pulled on this great country.Sadly, on another blog a person was quoted as saying that “she and 65 million other voters weren’t stupid enough to believe all the distortions.” Unlike the flu, studpid cannot be cured. We have 65 million people with a bad case of the “flu”.
13 copperpeony,
Thanks for the link. I am very familiar wth this black passage in Jewish history. And I am all too familiar with the specter of the Jewish anti-Semite and the deluded Jewish addimilationist. I am also sure that Obama means to detroy Israel and the Jewish people. I believe that despite being Jewish, Rahm Eleazar is a soundrel who belongs in camp Obama. B Hussein Obama will not hesitate to harm his Jewish staff, no matter how highly placed, and they are fools if they think they will be spared.
However, I do not see the relevance of Schlussel’s article to my assertion that I will not automatically condemn a man because of what his father is alleged to have done. I explain my position in my reply to Judah @ 10.
Thanks again for your interest in the discussion.
Judah Benjamin: Very articulate and well thought out. Your posts have been an education to us all. And this blog site, for politics and this election, the best I’ve seen. It also inspires good contributions from readers. I really enjoy reading the articles and the subsequent posts. Thank you all. A lot of dedication here, and talent, on the part of Texas Darlin.
Not to beat a dead horse, but there is an angle to this that I’ve mentioned before quite a few times. So I won’t mention it again. But I’m sure it is the reason for why the information about Obama remains out of public purview.
I will put it this way now: The miracle Judah Benjamin hopes for, I believe will happen, though it may not be called a miracle. We have had numerous miracles in the history of this nation, from its founding to the present. God has had his hand in our history. We are not forsaken. We haven’t reached that point of decadence yet. And the fact that a new party is being discussed points to a “saving remnant.”
For whatever this is worth: I was doing some chores and an inner voice said to me, “Everything will be okay by Christmas! It will be a great Christmas!” And this, to me, a Jew. But I relish American holidays. I see Thanksgiving as American Passover, with a turkey rather than a lamb. The angel of death passed over the Pilgrims who had escaped from a modern Egypt (Europe). (I note the voice did not say by Thanksgiving but by Christmas.) And Hanukkah was originally called the Winter Succot or Winter Festival of Tabernacles. So during the Christmas season when I see all the outdoor manger scenes I think of that.
Finally, the Bible Code, in case any are interested, still strongly suggests to me that Hillary Clinton will yet be the nation’s 44th President. It said George Bush would be the 43rd. I found this before he was elected. It was God’s will that he be the 43rd and the Code indicates it is his will that Hillary be the 44th. It isn’t true until it happens. But I don’t see how I could be reading it wrong. My recent posts at Israel Insider online under “Shlomo” explain this.
So onward and upward! (And I will be sending TD a donation to keep this going.) We must keep our spirits up. Thank you again, Judah Benjamin, for you thoughtful words. Also, as a Jew, I agree with you about the Irgun and Stern gangs. They commited atrocities and ruthless murders, for which they will have to answer in the world to come.
I was listening to talk radio a few weeks back and Michael Savage was talking about starting a third pary. sometimes he is a nutter but thought I pass it along.
that would be I would pass it along:)
Mitchell Langbert’s Blog has a humorous video posted that might explain why 65million people voted for Obama
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I believe that for a 3rd party to be taken seriously, it has to prove that it can govern well. Like a state office, mayor of a major city and so on. I have been following a movement in New Hampshire called the ‘Free State Movement’ which has been working through the established political parties. It is basically a libertarian movement not associated with the Libertarian party. It may be we have to ‘take’ back the country state by state.
Sorry, my previous post should have stated that the movement in New Hampshire is called the ‘Free State Project’. Have not slept well since the bloodless coup.
As an independent constitutional conservative, I think that the republican party seems so broken that it is almost beyond fixing at this point. I am so sick of RINO’s and what I like to call republican “political cannibalism”. It started when they threw Newt under the bus, and it seems to have continued unabated since. They throw anyone under the bus at anytime for any reason assuming that they will be replaced or even not assuming that they will be replaced.
I am virtually to the point of just saying let the republican party “wither on the vine” until it dies the miserable death it deserves. I mean no offense to patriotic conservatives, and I mean no offense to patriotic liberals in saying this. It just seems to me that there is no party standing for our constitution, there seems to be no home for those who love America and her constitution. Sometimes I think I am watching my beloved country die before my eyes, and I have no idea what to do to save her…
APOLOGIES, ONE AND ALL, FOR MY TYPO OF ELEAZAR WHEN IT SHOULD BE EMANUEL.MEA CULPA.
I think we should concentrate on more substantial evidence like his overstepping his boundaries on the Logan Act and his rallying for Odinga. The birth certificate thing is looking to be a long shot. I think if we can present some HARD evidence such as listed above and all the other things we have on him to the Electoral College it will force them to question his “judgement” as far as becoming out next Commander in Chief. Just my two cents !
The Republican Party is in shambles, and the Democrats have lost a large block of voters. But in the coming months we are bound to see the passage an amnesty bill for illegal aliens and voting rights for (ex-)felons. This is already in planning. The New Democratic Party will more than make up for lost votes.
Judah correctly observes that “We all have differing views on subjects like … Foreign and Domestic Policy.” Those are substantial differences. If we start flocking to new parties we are not all going to end up in a single pro-Constitution party. The real prospect is that the political landscape becomes splintered into a multitude of small, ineffectual third parties, a diminished Republican Party, and then one monolithic Democrat Party. The winner will be the Socialist Messiah.
So I respectfully disagree. I think the best hope for the country would be the creation of a Constitutional Republican movement within the GOP. Such a movement could draw on existing forces within the party, as well as attract the majority of currently “disenfranchised” voters.
I am guessing that the religious conservative movement more than anything is the reason many people here have been voting Democratic. Now that movement is all but destroyed. There is a vacuum in the GOP, which creates a rare opportunity for a new movement to take its place. A constitutional movement within the party could fight for a return to the founding principles of this nation, which include the separation of state and religion.
As Obama and his cohorts trash the country in the coming years, I think such a movement would look appealing to more and more people.
15 Mary.
“I have no idea what became of their children, but would it have been the American way to deny those sons anything from employment, to security clearances, to passport because of their parents crime?”
I feel I must share with you that in fact the Americans have been denying sons and daughters those rights for years now. I have spent a good deal of time in the military and as a background investigator for people trying to attain security clearances. I have seen countless people disqualified for PRP, Top-Secret, and in rare cases even a standard secret clearance for acts commited by their parents. The most recent that comes to mind was a young man from Michigan applying for a job in the air force working on nuclear “devices” The clearance he was required to get was above a Top-Secret, referred to as PRP. He was disqualified because upon a telephone converstation with his father the standard question of how you feel about your government was asked. He was more than slightly angry with how things are. His conviction got his son, who at the time was 7 months into his training disqualified from his job. He was still employed by the air force but was required to re-class his job, to something less prestigious because the chance that his father had instilled some of the values he shared with a background investigator on a phone from over a thousand miles away. So yes, it may not be right but it happens. I just cannot fathom how our government could let Obama go this far without “any” kind of investigation into his background?!?!?! My mind relishes in the fact that maybe, our justice system can remedy the situation before he changes the entire system!
Check out this thread at Chronwatch:
http://www.chronwatch-america.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55236
If correct, there IS NO HAWAIIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Following statehood, Hawaii passed out certificates of live
birth to anyone who said they were born there.
Mystery appears solved.
Obama, like Chaimberlain, has a piece of paper. That is all he has.
Some film company have offered a million dollar reward for an
original certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate and are
pretty sure they won’t have to pay up.
It appears more and more likely that Obama is not an American at all.
Wellputs thoughts, this analysis is spot on
For some reason, I think BO is attempting to make it to inaugaration, knowing full well, that if it is discovered for him not to be a natural born citizen, there would be nobody with a spine to remove him. The riots would be beyond anything ever imagined.
I do however also believe, that somewhere, someone has the guts to make the right decision, and challenge BO for proof, whether it is the electoral college, or a court somewhere here in the US. This just can’t be happening, that the justices, courts or whatever all woulsd ignore that, just to be politically correct. This would void the courts alltogether, who would trust justice anymore?
The lawsuit brought in california appears to be more specified, and in the direction of Judah’s thoughts. It is well documentes, and should receive some type of good response.
Berg has the sright intentions, but not well thought out, but as Veira, and many others have weight in, suits are popping up all over the place.
Judah, please if you have the time after your trip to Europe, take a look at the lawsuit filed in california, and share your thoughts.
I would really apprecdiate it.
Truth will prevail, at some point. It is important for us to trust in the Word Of God, for he always brings about the truth.
In politics.. it seems to me..their motto is..” use them for our gain..and if we need some new voters we can get them.” I have never felt so used in all my life.
Hmmm….I’m all for the Bull Moose Party. Teddy Roosevelt is one of my favorite presidents. Looks like we will engage in talks with the Taliban….Sheeesh! I’m praying everyday for Berg’s suit…or frankly any suit that exposes Barky as the fraud he is. I don’ have any spare change literally to contribute to any cause as I barely make enough to pay rent and eat. Internet is one of the few “frills” I pay for….But if any of these causes need sweat equity I can do that…For what it’s worth ( which ain’t much today…)
Great article with as usual lots of stuff to think about. Keep up the Good Fight.
A POSSE AD ESSE…REPUBLICA PRIMO!
( From Possibility to Actuality…Country First! )
Does anyone know what the latest news is on Jerome Corsi and the emails he has between Obama’s office and Odinga?
Yadent,
Not so sure the coup was bloodless…
Buraq ‘08,
Couldn’t have said it better myself! Judah is dead on about a new party – there are no current parties I can take seriously.
If Obama (or Biden) is actually sworn in, the need for a third party is dire, the the call can be heard throughout the web.
This song “Cassandra”, made famous by ABBA, in the 1980’s is eloquent in it’s haunting lyrics…sung by Annie-Fried. Annie is one of the most famous of Hitler’s Lebensborn children. These children, from blonde female nordics and aryan german soldiers became scorned, tortured, abused after the war. Annie was lucky, in that her grandmother fled with her! Listen to this song on YouTube because her voice is exquisite. It seems that Annie-Fried may be speaking to America. She now has family… grandchildren, etc., in Wisconsin. She has spoken, in one or two interviews, of a dreadful terrible ‘fear’ that comes upon her, at times. No wonder!
“Down in the street they’re all singing and shouting
Staying alive though the city is dead
Hiding their shame behind hollow laughter
While you are crying alone on your bed
Pity Cassandra that no one believed you
But then again you were lost from the start
Now we must suffer and sell our secrets
Bargain, playing smart, aching in our hearts
Sorry Cassandra I misunderstood
Now the last day is dawning
Some of us wanted but none of us would
Listen to words of warning
But on the darkest of nights
Nobody knew how to fight
And we were caught in our sleep
Sorry Cassandra I didn’t believe
You really had the power
I only saw it as dreams you would weave
Until the final hour
So in the morning your ship will be sailing
Now that your father and sister are gone
There is no reason for you to linger
You’re grieving deeply but still moving on
You know the future is casting a shadow
No one else sees it but you know your fate
Packing your bags, being slow and thorough
Knowing, though you’re late, that ship is sure to wait
Sorry Cassandra I misunderstood
Now the last day is dawning
Some of us wanted but none of us would
Listen to words of warning
But on the darkest of nights
Nobody knew how to fight
And we were caught in our sleep
Sorry Cassandra I didn’t believe
You really had the power
I only saw it as dreams you would weave
Until the final hour
So, tell me, how do we get this done? I agree it’s what we need to do, but clearly we need to get organized, make a plan, and execute.
Let’s get moving. If this were in business terms, we need a business plan, a brand, and then we go to market. Quite simply, neither party has done this with the true interests of Our Constitution, Our Country, or the Citizens. That being said, we must endeavor to discover the “tipping point” that will get a majority of American’s on board. With so many individual issues and concerns, people are often times siloed in their approch to government. This explains the recent phenomenom we just witnessed of politicians trying to be all things to all people, a.k.a. lying through your teeth.
If we could break this down into a project plan, or work breakdown structure, we could begin to assign work to those interested in helping to get this done. What we’d end up with would be our business plan, or what the existing parties refer to as their “platform.” However, in the spirit of breaking free from that, I would prefer to rename everything as we go. That way, we could ensure that what we create is not influenced by any existing and frankly, ineffective standards. Also, this would ensure that what we do is current and appeals to our audience in a progressive fashion that understands our time.
So, like I said, how do we get this done?
Hi everyone,
While you are contemplating 3rd party ideas, here’s a group for Sarah supporters:
http://www.teamsarah.org/
By the way, I personally feel this is one of Judah’s strongest pieces to date. Excellent work!
Ebola, I like that although some would probably say it is racist
Meanwhile I read at World Net News that a civil rights group are calling for an Obama Day holiday.
Given that people who get a holiday named after them are usually dead do they know something we don’t. Perhaps they are planning to crucify him to stay on plot.
The story gave me a post for my satirical blog at least.
#40 abomination. Okay I give up. Who is he?
I saw this on the Citizen Wells blog. “Carly” commented:
*****
OT, no wonder only 1 pg of medical records
look at this, page 12, click on #156 then view details (guess who)
http://stdcarriers.com/stdcarrierlastname.aspx
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Carrier # 156
First Name Barry
Last Name Sotero
City Chicaco
State Illinois
Age 48
Gender Male
Ethnicity Black & White
Sexual Orientation Not Sure
Eye Color Brown
Hair Color Black
Height(feet) 6
Height(inches) 1
Weight 180
Disease Genital Herpes
Additional Disease HIV/AIDS
Additional Disease 2 None
Additional Disease 3 None
Additional Disease 4 None
Earliest Known Date of Infection 9/1/1985 12:00:00 AM
Disclosure History Has failed to notify a partner of their conditions prior to sexual activity
Source of Knowledge Third party
Explanation Barry has been a closet homosexual and Herpes carrier since 1985. In 1997, Barry contracted the HIV virus and has spread it to his wife Michelle. They have kept quiet about this, however Barry has been seen with another woman and could pose a risk to others.
Other
Picture No Picture Avaliable
*****
Is there a way to find out when that record was added to the database?
How could anyone learn who obama is…he didn’t want us to know him. If anyone says they know him..they don’t. All they know is that his campaign painted a picture of him and put words in his mouth. Had obama wanted us to know him ..he would have made information available. No one could look into what he did in college…what he did after college..we only know he was a community leader. A community leader who helped form acorn. Acorn certainly repaid him…didn’t they? Ayers, Farrakhan, were people that lived around the corner, and Rev Wright was just someone he sat and listened to in church. He never remembered what was said during those sermons…what a guy. Not someone that I could feel proud about.
27 The South
I agree that there are additional eggregioius things that could or should be brought up. However, the “worst” you can say about these is that he broke a law. Forgiveness or even pardon of such “crimes” is easy and routine. And heaven knows the poll of public opinion doesn’t give a cr-p. The BC and Citizenship angles have the advantage that these are actually unconstitutional and, in theory, impossible to forgive.
29 Education
Spot on!
There a several items that are KNOWN to be within Obama’s current sphere and in his past that each, individually, would disqualify him from any sort of TS or above. I have provided such a list here before. It is beyond unfathomable that this guy will have every national secret, as well as the “nuclear football” at his instant disposal. I am perplexed, livid, frightened, and every other emotion you can think of.
I don’t understand why the CIA, FBI, and the DOJ are not all over this like stink on a pig.
31 Inge
For some reason, I think BO is attempting to make it to inaugaration, knowing full well, that if it is discovered for him not to be a natural born citizen, there would be nobody with a spine to remove him. The riots would be beyond anything ever imagined.
Bingo. And those who continue to push the citizenship/eligibility issue need to stop for a moment to consider the aftermath as well. Weigh the outcome of Obama in the White House for four years against the violence and destruction in the American streets that will surely take place should Obama’s ineligibility be discovered and acted upon by the courts. Which will be worse for this country and its citizens? Which will cost Americans more? Which will have longer-lasting negative effects?
Think about, everyone. Seriously.
#40
You are so correct!!
43 not MY president
I saw this on the Citizen Wells blog. “Carly” commented:
*****
OT, no wonder only 1 pg of medical records
look at this, page 12, click on #156 then view details (guess who)
I think it’s crap. Anybody can submit anyone else’s name to the database without any proof, even proof of knowing the other person. Someone has done just that, using Obama’s real name. The line about having been seen with other women gives them away as needed a reason for the submission (if Obama has STDs, that would be between him, his wife and his doctor, right?). Further, 23 years is a long time to live with HIV/AIDS and no symptoms.
It’s crap.
Just think about this. In this day and time with all the technology we have, how can we not know or get info on BHO? Is this not strange? You can only scrub the info so much. You some how always leave a trail. People screw up and leave trails. But nothing.
On the other hand, it would damage the U.S. Constitution by having a usurper in office. It would even be worse down the road were everyone to find out that he’s illegal. Please study this carefully, if you already haven’t.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
Also, there’s another lawsuit that has a good chance:
http://www.prlog.org/10139161-obama-presidency-challenged-by-new-jersey-voter-renatural-born-citizen-before-us-supreme-court.html
50 Jewel
On the other hand, it would damage the U.S. Constitution by having a usurper in office. It would even be worse down the road were everyone to find out that he’s illegal.
I think “were everyone to find out” are the operative words there. I believe that if the issue were just dropped at this point, then there’ll be no harm caused to the Constitution nor to the country and its citizens due to rioting and civil unrest. Instead of pouring the money and time into proving Barry’s ineligibility to be POTUS, it may be wiser at this time to focus on efforts to keep Barry and his socialist buddies in check for the next four years.
#51
I am ETERNALLY grateful that the founding fathers had a different outlook. If the threat of violence can suspend the rule of law, then the law is WORTHLESS and the cause lost.
I’d take the riots any day over having Obama as president despite all the fraud. Remember, the fraud was not only in the election itself, but also hiding his intellectual past and his history. He has a hidden agenda–but even the part that he has let slip is terrifying.
Riots yes–destruction of the US as such no.
Pamela Geller has a story about another government agency taking a dive on this issue:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/11/obama-birth-cer.html#more
And why won’t the problems get fixed, because politicians need not compete on merit, rather they compete on favors and pork?
Regardless of whether or not the idea of farm subsidies has merit or not, what are the chances of a congressman being elected from Nebraska who doesn’t endorse them? What about a congressman form Michigan who doesn’t support a bailout for the auto industry being reelected? Safe districts, gerrymandering and a campaign finance system purposefully stacked against third parties and party insurgents would in a freemarket context be considered collusion.
A monopoly on the electoral process means that republicrats and democans don’t really have to lead and inovate, just read their constituent tea leaves and redistribute accordingly. In the majority of cases politicians lose because they either can’t deliver on promises or because the challenger delivers a more appetizing pork barrel menu or because the loser was outfunded and couldn’t get the message out to an otherwise open minded electorate. Freemarket politics will lead to a freemarket economy and a government that is forced to lead, innovate and provide long term solutions. The answer is first demanding significant campaign finance reform.
I’m putting together a platform for campaign finance reform and would love to get feedback and reader ideas: http://politicalthirdrail.wordpress.com/about/campaing-finance-election-reform-policies/
CoolAunt:
I underswtand your concerns regarding my post, and that of Jewel.
The issue is the LAW, clearly stated for everyone to follow. Sure, it would cause chaos, and those who brought upon this issue should all to to jail, most of those who promoted BO, knowing full well, that they broke the loaw.
Since I am a european, without american citizenship, would it be ok for me to vote, run for office, and run for Potus? Imean what is good for the goose, is good for the gander.??
You see what I’m getting here? Arnold should be able to run also, and Judah?
The Bible states: “The truth shall set you free, and bring about a change!” It may be painful, but the next usurper thinks twice before running a con game on the american people.
You have got to be kidding. The constitution has to be upheld at any cost. If people choose to riot then they are breaking the law and should be dealt with accordingly. If there are deaths their blood will be on the hands of Obama and the DNC for perpetrating this fraud. Consider what our fore fathers had to endure and the risks they took in forging our independence. Again, I cannot believe some of you are saying we should ignore the constitution. I am less scared of riots than I am of a foreigner sitting in the White House.
46 CoolAunt
“Weigh the outcome of Obama in the White House for four years against the violence and destruction in the American streets that will surely take place should Obama’s ineligibility be discovered and acted upon by the courts.”
This is intimidaton. Don’t buy it.
This point of view is intimidation through imagination, a threat of what might happenif Smeric decidesd it’s a country of law, not lawlessness, or coups, or thuggery. Well, lady, I’m not afraid of he boogeyman.
Do you think we should allow our democracy to be detroyed by offal because a minority will be angry? What about the majority? I’ve lived through two riots. They are localized within a city, and they end when there’s nothing left to loot.
By God, don’t let anyone tell us not to make waves because of people who threaten us wth a government determined by bullets instead of ballots. We who love freedom re more than a mstc forf those who hate it.
Patrick Henry was right!
Al Qaeda Posts Wish List for American and Canadian Targets
By Randy Taylor, Independent Analyst
9 November 2008: On November 5, 2008, the day after the US Presidential Elections, the following text was posted in a secondary al Qai’da forum. Obviously with the closures of the primary forums many of the members have started appearing on lesser known forums yet using the same names or forum identities.
Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar – Osama has made a worthy promise (America will not live in safety).
Analysis: The person wrote extensively about the blackout across the northeast US and Canada some years back and indicates this will happen again. They claim that they indeed caused the outage and will do it again.
Below are excerpts from the text.
In implementing the orders of the Emir of the mujahedeen Osama bin Laden (may God keep him) to strike the key U.S. economy, the Brigades of Abu Hafs al-Masri find it important to strike a second time (facilities supplying) electricity in the eastern U.S., including the most important economic cities of America and Canada as America’s ally in the war against Islam (the city of Toronto and New York) and (areas) around them. (In their first strike) they caused the strike to prevent electricity for more than fifty million people. (OSPB* and security cannot explain how they had been sabotaged the signatories of that, God willing, the mujahedeen will use the same creative ways soon, God willing).
Further text indicates possible things that these people have on their terror “Wish- List” for the USA and Canada.
Among the benefits of the strike – and the media will say:
1. That the U.S. does not live in safety in order to achieve the conditions mentioned in the statement I and II, including the disengagement of prisoners of all the world, including Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, get out of Muslim land, including Jerusalem and Al-Jazeera and Kashmir.
2. The introduction of terror in their hearts, as they do with Muslims.
3. (We will) disrupt electricity to fifty million Americans and Canadians, which caused moral and material losses. It is not only our brother and sisters in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan … etc.. Only who, it must taste the same suffering American people.
read more » http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/usnews
29 Education
You know, Education, I’m beginning to wonder if the USA we cherish is an illusion.
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Palin basher reveals himself!
http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/11/10/eisenstadt-the-source-for-sarah-palin-africa-leak-and-proud-of-it/
BACKTRACK…
Looks like this guy is a Hoax. “Eisenstadt” has been pretending to be a McCain insider for a while, getting media to take his made-up stories seriously.
He isn’t the basher after all. Darn, I already had my darts out!!!
What I am about to state is decidedly, un-P.C., but it’s the truth:
Are we about to throw the Constitution under the train (that is one very crowded train track!) because a percentage of a racial group which as a whole comprises approximately 14% of the population MAY RIOT? What kind of a disgusting, spineless, fear laden rationale is that? Is it Obama & Co’s wish to destroy the constitution via: fear mongering? That’s ludicrous! The last time I checked we were a nation that is one ruled by laws NOT intimidtion!
Is this a Banana Republic or are we still Americans?
Cool Aunt,
So you recommend keeping our heads down and our mouths shut, right? How is that any different from the “No Snitching” campaign? You are witness to a crime but fear testifying because you are worried about the consequences of telling the truth. I’m greatful our Founding Fathers were brave, and not constrained by fear.
63 FirstAmendment
What I am about to state is decidedly, un-P.C., but it’s the truth:
Are we about to throw the Constitution under the train (that is one very crowded train track!) because a percentage of a racial group which as a whole comprises approximately 14% of the population MAY RIOT? What kind of a disgusting, spineless, fear laden rationale is that? Is it Obama & Co’s wish to destroy the constitution via: fear mongering? That’s ludicrous! The last time I checked we were a nation that is one ruled by laws NOT intimidtion!
Is this a Banana Republic or are we still Americans?
I take offense and disagree with the words “disgusting, spineless, fear laden” being used to describe me or anything about me. If you knew me at all, you’d know that courage is not something I’m lacking in.
Common sense is not something I’m lacking in, either. If Obama is not sworn in as POTUS, there’s no maybe to the rioting that will commence. Further, while blacks make up only 14% of the population, the mesmerized koolaid drinkers make up the majority. Take away their new messiah and expect them to join in the mayhem and chaos.
Finally, I suggested that you weigh the two, Obama in office for four years or civil unrest if he’s proven ineligible. It’s obvious what you think is worse. But no one. not me or anyone, asked you to stop your course, only to look and see where it might take you before you get there.
Now, if you don’t mind, would you please express your misdirected anger back toward what it is that’s making you so angry and not at me? I’d appreciate it.
64 Fernley Girl
Please read what I addressed to FirstAmmendment.
ETA to #65 above: If Obama is proven ineligible to become the next POTUS, what will we have after the dust settles? President Joe Biden, another Pelosi & Reid puppet. Does it really seem worth it?
62 In Palin We Trust
“He isn’t the basher after all. Darn, I already had my darts out!!!”
LOL, Trust.
Justice Thomas to hear Natural Born Citizen Case!!!!!
Read about it here:
http://www.democratic-disaster.com//index.php?topic=286.0
Notes from the attorney who filed:
I arrived at SCOTUS on Monday Nov 3rd, got the case filed and stamped at 3:30PM. Went back inside and pleaded with the stay clerk for 7 minutes to please follow the rules and get this on Justice Suoter’s desk as was required by Rule 22(1):
“1. An application addressed to an individual Justice shall be filed with the Clerk, who will transmit it promptly to the Justice concerned if an individual Justice has authority to grant the sought relief.” (Emphasis added.)
Mr. Bickle agreed that if my papers were in order, Justice Suoter would receive the case that night, sometime after 4:30 pm.
“Rule 22(6). The Clerk will advise all parties concerned, by appropriately speedy means, of the disposition made of an application.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/supct/22.html
The next day, I received no message. It’s important that the disposition be delivered by speedy means because the denial of a stay sets the trigger for resubmission to a Justice of your choice under Rule 22(4).
I went back to Scotus on Election Day, but was told Mr. Bickle wasn’t available to speak with me. He also was not picking up his phone.
On Thursday, I finally got through to Mr. Bickle and was informed by him that the case was never passed on to Justice Suoter because Mr. Bickle didn’t think it was an appropriate Application. I was absolutely astounded. Mr. Bickle told me that I should have made a full Petition for Writ of Certiorari. And I told him he was flat out wrong, because :
- I followed the Court Rules perfectly
- we spoke all about this on Monday and he agreed with my interpretation of the rules then
- my case was properly before the court from the Supreme Court of NJ
- and the precedent was Bush v. Gore where no Petition was necessary
All the while speaking to Mr. Bickle, I stayed calm and gentle while the anger was seething inside of me hoping he would Docket it, even at this late stage so I would have something to show people when I finally went public.
It’s not the Clerk’s job job to play Judge. His job is to collect the papers and pass them onto the Justices, but as to this action Mr. Bickle basically made a substantive judgment of law and denied my application on his own.
After explaining Bush v. Gore to him, where the Court treated the Stay application as a Petition for Cert. and then granted that virtual Petition, he blinked and agreed to Docket the case, but he still tried to persuade me to drop it anyway stating, “Do you want to redo the election?”
[See Bush v. Gore, page 1 http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html ]
I told him that if Obama were found to be disqualified, there would be no new election, but rather the electors would vote for somebody else, another Democrat. He kept trying to convince me to let it go stating that, “Justice Souter will just deny it and so will Justice Thomas”, but I wouldn’t let it go and finally he agreed to Docket the case.
The next day, I checked back and the case had finally been docketed, but in a completely incorrect manner. Bickle Docketed the case incorrectly as follows (this is from my screenshot of the original Docket):
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 6 2008 Application (08A407) for injunction pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of
certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
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Three glaring errors:
- The case was filed and stamped received on November 3rd, not November 6th
- My application was for a “Stay” not an “injunction”. Filing for an injunction does NOT get you expedited review, while a Stay is entitled to the most expedited review SCOTUS has to offer. The distinction is very important.
- I never submitted a full Petition nor did I submit a letter stating any such intention to do so. The Stay Clerk just took this out of thin air.
I got on the phone and left three VERY loud and very direct messages to the effect of, “FIX my docket or IM going to bring allege criminal charges against you as well as a civil suit against the SCOTUS Clerk’s office.” I told him that I suspected he was being pressured from within, and that he should inform whoever was pressuring him that I had kept solid phone records, and that I my pleadings were stamped Nov 3rd.
One hour later, Mr. Bickle had corrected the Docket to reflect that the case had been filed on November 3rd and he also listed it finally as a “Stay” application NOT an injunction. But whereas the first Docket listing discussed a pending application for injunction, the new Docket reflected that Justice Suoter had ALREADY denied the application…ON NOV 6th, which is very confusing since this was now Friday November 7th and the first Docket, listed no disposition.
Here is the Docket as it appeared one hour after the first Docket listing. And this is also how it appears now:
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A407) for stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari,
submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 6 2008 Application (08A407) denied by Justice Souter.
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None of this makes any sense.
Furthermore, the reference to a “pending” Petition is incorrect and should be removed because it effects the level of review available to the case as resubmissions for Stay applications are not looked on favorably if the Stay denial was “without prejudice”. If I were also in the process of submitting a full Petition for Cert., then the denial might not be considered “with prejudice” and in that case, Mr. Bickle might once again decide not to pass on the paperwork to Justice Thomas.
Seeing as how the Electoral College is just one month away, this is still an emergency, and Bush v. Gore is still precedent. I have made no submission of a Full Petition, so the Docket is STILL not correct as I intend to resubmit the Stay application this week.
And if you knew what happened to this case in the NJ Appellate Division, then you’d be just as worried as I am now that Justice Clarence Thomas and the rest of the Court might not ever see this case unless they actually hear about it outside of the Court first. People have taken sides despite the law and despite the Courts role as allegedly fair arbiters.
If the Court Rules had been followed to the letter of the law, as we should expect of the highest court in the land, then this is how things should have gone down: Since I put the case properly before the Supreme Court a day before the election, it should have been “promptly” given to Justice Suoter who should have granted or denied it right away, and then I should have been informed by “speedy means” of the disposition. If it was denied, then I was entitled to a piece of paper saying so, and then I would have been able to get a supplemental letter to Justice Thomas along with 10 copies of the Stay Application to the whole Court.
This case was stopped. Why? I don’t have enough information to say who was behind it and why, but I know for a fact the case was not handled correctly. And I know that the law and the facts of this case have the ability to strip Obama of the Presidency.
I argued the same law as to McCain and Roger Colera as well, and I I’m not backing down. I need people to help spread the word about this case so that it has a chance of getting to Justice Clarence Thomas’s desk and to the rest of the Court.
The Supreme Court rules are clear. Under Rule 22(6), I was entitled to be informed of the disposition of my case by “appropriately speedy means”. Having submitted it on Monday, I heard NOTHING from Mr. Bickle by Thursday. But he, a lousy Clerk, disposed of the case when he got it back on Monday, but refused to inform me. Why didn’t he inform me by “speedy means” that the case was not passed on to Justice Suoter?
This is NOT the way the US Supreme Court usually does business.
And the citizens of this country should be angry about that.
Leo Donofrio
I do not intend to be snide, CoolAunt, but please check your ego. Believe it or not, my post was in no way a direct reply to your specific post; rather it was a response to the generalized threat being posted about were Obama be declared ineligible. I was addressing the threat of intimidation vs. the rule of law- the latter being a premise I pray our nation still follows.
Cool heads need to prevail Cool Aunt, not hair trigger, ego based reactions.
#3 DrKate.
“The outcome of this election has not been decided yet, there are still more twists and turns”
Interesting you said this. It immediately made me think of Bill Clinton saying almost the exact phrase in an interview before his yearly global forum or around that time.
I think the same interview when he said something about anyone could be POTUS if they qualify under the constitution?
to 70 FirstAmendment
Fair enough. I did, indeed, jump to the conclusion that your comment was addressed directly to me.
I wish you luck in creating a successful party. I have always viewed it as one of America’s distinct weaknesses that it only has two competitive parties.
However, I must disagree with you when you say that the EU is against Obama. While I cannot vouch for the cited leaders (but frankly, I’m not willing to take any politician at their word), I know from friends of mine who are on the ground living in France, and other nations overseas, that the fast majority (particularly in France) are in favor of Obama.
The election is over.
Now is the time to attack the issues.
Energy.
Ask the loaded questions.
For example, why hasn’t the following been reversed?
In 1977, President Jimmy Carter dealt the U.S. nuclear industry one of its greatest setbacks by issuing Presidential Directive 8 (PD-8), [21] which forbids reprocessing (recycling) nuclear fuel in the United States. “Closing the fuel cycle,” the term used to describe the recycling of spent nuclear fuel, allows used fuel to be recycled and used again. Regrettably, PD-8 has effectively been U.S. policy ever since. As a result, nuclear fuel is run through U.S. reactors only once, wasting a valuable resource and producing unnecessary amounts of high-level nuclear waste.
Recycling spent nuclear fuel would help the U.S. and the world to reduce the volume of high-level nuclear waste and recover vast amounts of energy that remain in “spent” nuclear fuel even after it has gone through a reactor. Currently, only about 5 percent of the energy is used per volume of fuel. The U.S. does not recycle nuclear fuel, but France, Great Britain, China, and Russia are safely using recycling technology.
# 19 Dean
Finally, the Bible Code, in case any are interested, still strongly suggests to me that Hillary Clinton will yet be the nation’s 44th President. It said George Bush would be the 43rd. I found this before he was elected. It was God’s will that he be the 43rd and the Code indicates it is his will that Hillary be the 44th. It isn’t true until it happens. But I don’t see how I could be reading it wrong. My recent posts at Israel Insider online under “Shlomo” explain this.
I am Praying ( not a church goer but do pray ) that this is correct. I had read a couple times of a healer who said that Hillary will be in the White House through a twist of fate that will surprise everyone. And I keep Praying between the Bible code you suggest and the other it will be so.
To those on this thread that say we should look the other way, stomach BHO for four years so that violence is avoided if/when he is determined to not be to constitutionally eligible…bring on the violence if that is an outcome of making this right!
We are a country governed by the rule of law and if we allow BHO or anyone else for that matter “bully” us into compliance, we might as well not have a constitution…simply govern our country by taking polls. Wouldn’t that be chaos!
And there is only one way to beat a bully…stand up to him and he’ll back down. A bully NEVER has the guts to challenge a formidable opponent.
The next election may well be out of control mass thuggery and voter fraud. It might be far more productive to campaign for nation wide picture ID and Social Security number. The democrats have consistently fought all republican efforts to have honest elections. Mass thuggery must not be allowed to escalate.
None of this would have happened if picture ID and SS# were required for all elections. Hillary would have been the nominee.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, that the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill
We are in for a hard ride if this fraud is indeed sworn into office. The only thing left to do is to band together and start a movement to protect our freedom.
#61/62
Eisenstadt (slanderer Palin) a Fraud
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/10/martin-eisenstadt-non-exi_n_142785.html
OR
BOUGHT by BObo
http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/11/06/heads-up-on-some-defense-department-work/#comment-2549
Obama Bought The Presidency