By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
[ A Request: Please do not use canadafreepress as a source, they publish Anti-Muslim and wildly inaccurate Propaganda. I have had to spend considerable amounts of valuable time debunking material they have put forward. Likewise, don't believe statements about Obama attending a Radical Madrassah, or Lolo Soetoro being a Radical Wahabi. Wahabism is Saudi Arabian, Soetoro was neither a Wahabi, or Radical and Obama's State Schools in Indonesia were not Madrassahs. I want to see Obama go BUT the use of patent untruths and downright lies won't get us there.]
I have been watching the growing controversy about the link between Khalid Mansour and Obama with some interest and, I imagine, most of you will not be greatly surprised that I have been digging into it. You may, however, be surprised by some of the conclusions that I have reached.
Please don’t think that I have been drinking the Kool Aid, or that I have suddenly had a Sartori and gone over to Obama/Soetoro, nothing could be further from the truth.
I am utterly convinced that somebody has controlled and funded Obama since he first went to Columbia, maybe before, and somebody rigged his original book deal. (I know somebody has to have done that because I know how difficult it can be to talk someone into publishing a book, even when you have a solid reputation and a first book is hell to get.)
However, whoever it was I don’t believe it was Prince Al-Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, or anybody connected with him, in any direct way. I strongly suspect that if one looks at the Middle East for that push and that funding one will not find it.
I think the whole story is a nothing, if not an outright plant. I’ll deal with my reasons in two parts.
THE SUTTON INTERVIEW.
Percy Sutton is a great man and an icon for the Civil Rights Movement, here is a link to his Wikipedia entry:
However, as brilliant a mind as Percy Sutton may have, he is 87 years old and the interview on NY1 on March 25th on which this whole controversy is based seems, to me, to give grave grounds to suspect that he is, perhaps, suffering from the problems of age. Additionally, Percy Sutton was, and is, a Hillary Clinton supporter and on his own testimony never met Obama, he was quoted during the Primaries as saying of Obama at the time, “We don’t know the other person in this election — we’ve never met him”.
Ben Smith on Politico has something to say on the topic:
Obama Camp Denies Sutton Story
Even Newsmax.com, which is now pushing the story, says this:
“A Sutton aide told Newsmax that Sutton, 88, is ailing and is unlikely to do additional TV interviews in the near future. The aide could not provide additional comment for this story”.
In the original interview Sutton said this:
“I was introduced to him by a friend who was raising money for him and the friend’s name was Dr Khalid al Mansour from Texas. He is the principle adviser to one of the world’s richest men. He told me about Obama. He wrote to me about him and his introduction was ‘there is a young man that has applied to Harvard and I know that you have a few friends left there because you used to go up there to speak, would you please write a letter in support of him?’ That’s before Obama decided to run. And he interjected the advice that Obama had passed the requirements, had taken, and passed, the requirements necessary to get into Harvard and become President of the Law Review. That’s before he ever ran for anything. I wrote a letter in support of him to my friends at Harvard saying to them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I surely hoped they would treat him kindly.”
Read Sutton’s words carefully and then ask yourself if they make any sense. In fact, they don’t, on any basis.
1) “I was introduced to him by a friend who was raising money for him”. Why would Khalid have been raising money for him? If Khalid knew all about Obama, thought he was a genius and if he was “a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire”, or “the principle adviser to one of the world’s richest men” (and these are not the same thing) why did he not simply solicit a grant from his employer? Or even a loan to the young man? Why raise money for him? Answer, it makes no sense.
2) “There is a young man that has applied to Harvard and I know that you have a few friends left there because you used to go up there to speak, would you please write a letter in support of him?”. Percy Sutton did not attend Harvard and, according to his various biographies, Khalid Mansour has Lectured at Harvard (We will come to those biographies later), why would Mansour ask, or need to ask, Sutton to write such a letter? Prince Talal has connections at Harvard, has given Harvard tens of millions of dollars, and Obama was a Legacy Student, what purpose would a letter from Sutton serve that a letter from Mansour wouldn’t? Or a letter from Prince Talal? Further, if Obama’s grades from Occidental and Columbia were good why would he need a letter from anyone? Again, this doesn’t mesh with reality.
3) ” And he interjected the advice that Obama had passed the requirements, had taken, and passed, the requirements necessary to get into Harvard and become President of the Law Review”. Need I say anything here? If we are talking about the time before Obama even entered Harvard Law this is blatant gibberish!! I would also ask, how a man who lived in Texas had come into contact with a young man who was living in Chicago, had lived in New York, California, Hawaii and Indonesia? Had they met in California, or had Mansour heard from Frank Marshall Davis, if Mansour knew him? Had Mansour ever met Obama? Nothing in this section of the interview makes any sense at all. Actually, it would make more sense for Sutton to have met Obama, which he clearly hadn‘t.
4) “That’s before he ever ran for anything. I wrote a letter in support of him to my friends at Harvard saying to them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I surely hoped they would treat him kindly.” How would Sutton know if Obama was a genius? They had never met, according to Sutton. I wouldn’t accept a recommendation letter from a person who had never met the subject of the letter, neither would any University Official or Professor I have ever met. We know Obama wrote nothing substantial until his Autofictions, Sutton had no basis to form such an opinion and if Obama’s JD was indeed magna cum laude I have no certainty that he is a genius, summa cum laude might persuade me (you can get a magna cum laude out of Harvard Law with a ‘C’ Grade Average). And who uses an expression like “there was a genius that was going to be available”? Harvard isn’t surprised by genius, in fact tends to expect it in anyone whose family haven’t been attending Harvard for at least 200 years. One might also ask who Sutton’s friends at Harvard were, members of the Faculty? If not they couldn’t help in any way.
Touch it where you will, the interview is, at best, confused and at worst utter nonsense. Yet a whole new conspiracy theory is being posited on it. I don’t know what Percy Sutton was thinking when he came out with this farrago of ill expressed reminiscence but I couldn’t base a case on any of it. For that reason I would hesitate to even try to make a case that Khalid Al Mansour and Senator Obama know each other at all, or ever did.
KHALID AL MANSOUR.
Who is Dr. Khalid Tariq Al-Mansour, or Khalid Abdullah Tariq al Mansour?
First things first, in different countries names are differently positioned, the order of First Name and Family Name may be reversed, or a Middle Name, or Nickname may be commonly used. Thus, a person called Mansour Khalid in one country may be called Khalid Mansour in another. Also, since the name is Arabic, transliteration may produce different spellings, Khalid Mansur and Khaled Mansur are examples of this.
One may add that the name is not uncommon; I can think of at least six men called Khalid Mansour who are quite well known, including Khalid Mansour, Computer Information Systems, Lecturer, of Zarqa Private University in Jordan and the Arab Academy for Banking and Financial Sciences, Jordan; Dr Khalid Mansour of Engleton Colorado, Vice President for CIBER’s Global Enterprise Integration Practice, formerly Principal Engineer at the US Department of Energy Savannah River Site in Aiken, South Carolina; Khaled Mansour, the UN’s former Chief Spokesman in Lebanon, now Chief of Public Information at the United Nations Mission in Sudan and a survivor of the Baghdad, Iraq truck bomb attack against UN Headquarters on 19 August 2003; Khalid Mansour Al Messaad, Chief of Staff to the Kuwaiti Ambassador at the NATO/OTAN Conference in 2005; Khalid al Mansour Quatari Ambassador to the UK; and Dr Mansour Khalid, Sudanese Politician, former Government Minister (including Minister of Education and Foreign Minister) and current Presidential Advisor, the earliest and most prominent Northern Sudanese member of the SPLM/SPLA and one of his country’s leading Historians and Intellectuals. [ Let me add this quote about Mansour Khalid "Khalid has built strong relationships with US officials during his tenure as a permanent representative of Sudan at the UN. He is a close friend of former US president George W. Bush. sr." Sudan Tribune Tuesday 16 October 2007].
All of these men could be, and have been, called Dr Khalid Mansour. One might also consider the existence of Al-Mansour University College in Iraq. It isn’t an uncommon name and it is a name that belongs to several well known and highly respected men. I have reason to mention these men and I will return to them later.
According to Newsmax.com, various other sources, including, apparently “The Los Angeles Times” and the Social Activism Project at the University of California at Berkley, Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour is an African American formerly known as Donald Warden, a graduate of Howard University and Berkley Law School and “mentor of Black Panther Party founder Huey Newton and his cohort, Bobby Seale”.
He is also said to have been mentor to Maulana Karenga, otherwise known as Ronald McKinley Everett (FBI Spy and creator of Kwanzaa), and the founder of the African-American Association. He was described as “the most articulate spokesperson for black nationalism at the time [the early-mid 1960s]“. He was also associated with future Judges Henry Ramsey and Thelton Henderson and future Congressman and Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums. Another associate was Percy Sutton, Malcolm X’s and Maulana Karenga’s Lawyer.
Again, according to Newsmax.com Khalid Mansour has refused to confirm he ever wrote to Sutton about Obama:
In an exclusive interview with Newsmax from his home in San Antonio, Texas, al-Mansour said he would not comment specifically on the statement by Percy Sutton because he was afraid anything he said would get distorted.
‘I was determined I was never going to be in that situation’, he said.’ Bloggers are saying this is the new Rev. Wright in drag! and he is a nationalist, racist, and worse than Rev. Wright. So any statement that I made would only further this activity which is not in the interest of Barack’.
But, in the lengthy interview, al-Mansour confirmed that he frequently spoke on university campuses, including Columbia, where Percy Sutton suggested he met Obama in the late 1980s, and confirmed his close relationship with Prince Alwaleed.
I urge everyone to read the Newsmax article, and I also urge you to see these links:
reuters.comblackherald.egoong.com
I also urge people to take a look at one of his videos, or read one of his books:
“Americans Beware! The Zionist Plot Against S.Arabia”
“Cultural Dynamism In The 21st Century”
“Laws Without Justice”
“PC Vs TV – Can America Be Saved?”
“Strains Of Modern Marriage”
“The Challenges Of Spreading Islam In America”
“The Destruction Of Western Civilization”
“The Pentecostals: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly”
“The Reflections Of An African Arabian In Captivity”
“The Mind and the Mindless: Will the West Control Forever?”
“Birth and Death of Christianity”
“Betrayal by Any Other Name”
“The Lost Books of Africa Rediscovered: We Charge Genocide”
“The Destruction of Western Civilization as Seen Through Islam, Christianity and Judaism”
“Black Americans at the Crossroads”
“Seven African Arabian Wonders of the World”
“Welcome To Islam”
The man is an unabashed racist, specifically a Black Supremacist, whose ideas of History, Archaeology, Anthropology and Islamic and Biblical Theology are so far from correct that they would be laughable if there were not people who, in their ignorance, might believe in them and act on them.
I asked two Islamic Scholars, one Sunni and another Ismaili, to watch two of the videos and dip into the books. They were horrified, the reaction they had mirrored the Pope’s reaction to Black Liberation Theology. They were both of the opinion that if he said the things he believed in Saudi Arabia he would probably suffer badly and that if he did it in the back country areas of Pakistan he would be killed.
I quote from the blog “Road Sassy”:
“As I attended their Wednesday, 24 October, rally in the Good Hope Centre, Cape Town, I was surprised by the extremism of Dr Al-Mansour. Seldom has it been my misfortune to endure such a loud illogical stream of venom from a public speaker. Al-Mansour must have been an embarrassment to all sane Muslims. Not that Christians don’t have some similar fanatics disgracing our podiums with hysteria and unsubstantiated drivel. But this American Muslim (described as a Californian lawyer, banker, businessman and activist) went beyond all extremes in his outrageous statements.
Al-Mansour claimed that Muslims were heirs to the greatest civilizations and achievements in history. Muslims had reached America before Columbus was born! The Zimbabwe Ruins had been built by Muslims, as had the Pyramids in Egypt. That the greatest strength of Black culture in Africa was literature. “Reading is our tradition. The slaves from Africa read, read, read.” That before the Whites came to Africa “To steal the land”, Blacks had built “great civilizations that had blast furnaces able to heat up to 1 000°C — making copper and knives and spears. We must rebuild our civilizations!” The first human beings in the world were Africans, he claimed.”
One may add that all of Mansour’s books are published by a company called The First African Arabian Press, which seems to be owned by the man himself! Why, at a guess because no reputable publisher would be prepared to be associated with the kind of nonsense he writes and propogates via e book.
A very strange man to be an advisor of any sort to Prince Al-Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud.
Here are a selection of Wikipedia Links for the Prince and his interests:
wikipedia.org, Al-Waleed bin Talal
wikipedia.org, Kingdom Holding Co.
wikipedia.org, Prince Alwaleed Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding
In fact the Prince, who is a Lebanese Citizen through his mother, is unusually liberal in his views, he is somewhere to the right of President Carter on the Palestinians and very keen to promote Inter-Faith Dialog. He and Donald Warden could not easily have more opposed world views. The Prince is also a backer of the Pro-American Lebanese Government and known to be opposed to terrorism. He is not a member of the Governing clique of the Saudi Royal Family, but rather a very acute businessman who has parlayed millions into over 29 billion dollars, making him the 19th richest man on Earth according to Forbes.
The Prince is American educated, Pro-American, Pro-British and Pro-French. He isn’t the sort of man one would expect Mansour to associate with, or advise.
About the only connection the Prince and Obama would seem to have is that both are popular with Rupert Murdoch, George Soros and Reinhard Mohn.
Mansour and Obama, on the other hand, know several people in common, including Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, Huey Newton and Charles Rangel.
Mansour and the Prince are both acquainted with Abdul Aziz and Khalid al-Ibrahim, for whom Mansour is said to have negotiated a property deal in California in 1989. They also both know Michael Jackson. Mansour introduced the Prince to Michael Jackson, who apparently is a personal friend of his.
Mansour claims, according to Newsmax:
He told Newsmax that he has personally introduced Prince Alwaleed to 51 of the 53 leaders of Africa, traveling from country to country on the Saudi prince’s private jet.
He knows virtually every black leader in America, from the business community, to community activists, to the worlds of politics and entertainment.
When Michael Jackson was on the ropes in the mid-1990s following a series of lawsuits by the parents of children accusing him of sexual abuse, al-Mansour introduced him to Prince Alwaleed, whose Kingdom Entertainment signed a joint venture with Jackson in 1996.
‘Jackson and Alwaleed became pals in 1994, when a mutual friend from Alwaleed’s college days in California arranged a lunch meeting aboard the prince’s yacht in Cannes’, Time magazine reported about the new partnership in 1997.
This grandiloquent posturing reminds me of Obama. Can one really imagine that Mansour knows 51 of the African Heads of State? It would seem altogether more likely to have happened the other way around.
Mansour’s various biographies make fascinating reading. Let us start with that found on the Shaw University Mosque website:
“Dr. Khalid Tariq Al-Mansour will be the guest speaker at Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center in Durham (View Map)on Saturday February 24, 2007 at 5:00PM.
Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour is an internationally esteemed attorney, author, and lecturer whose views have garnered worldwide attention; and serves as special advisor to: HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Abdulazziz Al-Saud of Saudi Arabia.
Dr. Al-Mansour is an International Attorney and Businessman. His college education was obtained at Howard University, where he majored in Philosophy and Logic, and at the University of California School of Law at Berkeley where he received his Doctor of Jurisprudence degree.
He is listed in the World’s Who’s Who in Finance and Industry, International Who’s Who in the Arab World, Who’s Who in Public Affairs, Royal Blue Book of London, International Who’s Who of Intellectuals, Who’s Who in American Law, Who’s Who in California, Who’s Who in the World and Who’s Who in Black America.
Dr. Al-Mansour holds professional memberships in
International Bar Association
American Bar Association
International Bankers Association
Islamic Centers of America, to name a few
Professional Lectureships at:
University of California at Berkeley
Harvard University
Howard University
University of Kenya
London School of Economics
Columbia University, to name a few
Board Memberships:
Saudi African Bank, Director
Zurich Kapital Bank, Director
Global Petroleum Authority, Director, to name a few
Honors and Citations:
Who’s Who in the World
Royal Blue Book of London
Who’s Who in Black America
International Who’s Who of the Arab World
World’s Who’s Who in Finance and Industry
Lead attorney in the famous IAM vs. OPEC trial (1978)
International Peace Prize, and many others.
Dr. Al-Mansour, a renowned Author
He has authored over 30 books, including such well known titles as:
Welcome To Islam
Islamic Economics and The New World Order
The Palestinian Cause In International Law
Can Africa Survive The Globalization Of The 21st Century
Globalization And The New World Order
Born Brain Dead”
A very interesting Biography, there’s only one problem with it, several things in it appear to be untrue.
A) “Professional Lectureships” . One would assume that this means that Dr Mansour has been a Lecturer, or member of Faculty, at these Institutions, or at the very least a Guest Lecturer (Bear in mind that outside the USA a Lecturer is an Associate Professor, or a Junior Professor). Mansour has certainly never been on the Faculty of most of these Institutions, though he may have given talks on Campus to Muslim Student’s Societies.
B) What is the ” Global Petroleum Authority”? I spent a considerable time searching the Internet for this body and could not find evidence of its existence.
C) “Zurich Kapital Bank”, according to a contact in HSBC and another in Barclay’s Bank, International, there is no such Bank.
D) “Who’s Who in Black America”, well “Who’s Who Among Black Americans”, William C Matney (1976) does list Donald Warden but not as Khalid Mansour.
E) “The Royal Blue Book of London” used to list Accredited Diplomats to the Court of St James [Diplomats Accredited in the UK) and it does list Khalid Al Mansour. However, so far as I can tell, the Khalid Al Mansour in question is the Quatari Ambassador to Britain, not the former Donald Warden. Dr. Mansour Khalid of Sudan has also been featured in the “Royal Blue Book of London” and the “Who’s Who of Intellectuals.”
F) “International Who’s Who of the Arab World”, lists several Khalid Mansours, none of whom are Donald Warden, aka Khalid Al Mansour.
G) “International Peace Prize”. This would either have to be the Nobel Peace Prize or the Lenin Peace Prize, so far as I can tell. He has won neither, needless to say. He may have won “The World Peace Prize”, a highly dubious award granted by an Evangelical Group but since he certainly isn’t an Evangelical Christian it seems unlikely.
H) “Globalization And The New World Order”, unfortunately, was edited by Felix Moses Edoho and contains no contribution by Mansour.
I) “Islamic Economics and The New World Order” seems to be by Muhammad Abdul Mannan and is certainly not by Mansour.
J) “Lead attorney in the famous IAM vs. OPEC trial (1978)”. In the Appeal of 1981, 649 F.2d 1354 1981-1 Trade Cases 64,143, the Counsels for OPEC were Antonin Scalia, Chicago, Ill., Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al Mansour, San Francisco, Cal., for defendants-appellees. An interesting pairing!
K) His biography for LaGray Chemical reads thus:
“Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour
International attorney, teacher and businessman. Dr. Al-Mansour’s business interests include co-founding the United Bank of Africa, the World United Bank of Africa and the Saudi African Bank.”
Unfortunately, the United Bank for (not of) Africa PLC, which is a Nigerian Company, has a Date of Incorporation of 23rd February, 1961, as can easily be ascertained, and his biography there reads like this:
“Khalid Al-Mansour
Director since 1998. Attorney at Law, Investment Banker Co-founder of the international law firm of Al-Waleed, Al-Talal and Al-Mansour. On the Board of Several companies”
One may add that when the Bank was reformed, after the US Authorities charged it with money laundering, Mansour was removed from, or left, the Board of Directors. He had nothing to do with either founding the original company, or its successor set up by the merger of UBA with two other Banks in 2007, so far as I can tell. I can find no trace of a company called The World United Bank of Africa, at all.
L) ” Co-founder of the international law firm of Al-Waleed, Al-Talal and Al-Mansour”. This features in most of the biographies, unfortunately the company is actually:
Al Talal and Al Mansour
601 California Street, Suite 300
San Francisco, CA 94108
(415) 981-0296
And the current active Partner is Faissal M. Fahad, Esq, according to the Prince’s General Statement of Beneficial Ownership · Schedule 13D. The company seems to have been founded by the Prince when he was at Menlo College to oversee business transactions and to have become involved in the IMA vs. OPEC case initially simply because the Company was in San Francisco where the case was brought. The Prince, himself, has no connection to OPEC. Mansour, incidentally, does not seem to have been connected with the Company for a number of years.
Short version. The Prince seems to have met Mansour while he was in College in California and because he was an American Lawyer he was used by the Prince when he set up his Law Company. Mansour has finagled the acquaintance and his status as an Advisor, he has probably never been a major one, into a series of Directorships boosted by a padded resume based on the work and eminence of other men of the same name.
Mansour, clearly, has never managed to use the Prince’s influence to get himself a Publishing Contract, so how could he do for Obama what he could not do for himself? The Prince seems to have no interest in Politics at all, and certainly none in the kind of Politics Mansour has been peddling since the early 1960s.
There is no evidence that Mansour and Obama are connected, though I believe that Obama is a Fraud, and I know that Mansour is. Mansour has never managed to get any large sums of money from the Prince for himself, so how could he get it for Obama? Mansour is a Conman, who has been involved in Pyramid Selling Scams and crooked Nigerian Banks, he has ludicrous Religious and Historical beliefs and was rejected by Organizations like The Black Panther Party and the Nation of Islam as early as the 1970s.
Whoever has been backing Obama for all these years, it isn’t Prince Talal and it isn’t Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour. Prince Talal has no connections to Terrorist Organizations in the Middle East and Mansour’s connections to Domestic Terrorists dried up long ago.
What I want to know is why this story has suddenly exploded now, and who exploded it, and why?
Doesn’t Alwaleed own part of Time Warner AOL aka CNN?
I agree with your doubts concerning this information. And your wondering why now.
To me, the route to Obama’s connections still runs through Frank Marshall Davis.
If I were Obama’s campaign and knew there was an October surprise in the works, I would put a barge of false scandals out now that end up getting debunked so that the actual scandal(s) get lost in the flood as far as the public is concerned.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I feel dirty just reading all this stuff.
Sorry – don’t agree with you. No wrong – I ‘m not sorry. First of all you don’t get to say what sources are to be looked at or not. If TD decides not to post then that is that – but people can judge for themselves what sources they refer to.
I disagree with you that canadafree press is a propaganda site .
Second you are making a whole lot of assumptions – and I am not going to go thru one by one – but example – Obama’s grades from Columbia etc would have got him to Harvard – do you know what his grades were? If you do please share.
Donald Warden was involved in defending black panthers in Oakland and Sutton was doing same in New York – you think these people didn’t know each other?
For me there are too many intersecting relationships for your premise to jive – just my view.
An Observer I agree with you Frank Marshall Davis was the origin – infact I was wondering about in Davis’s bio. it says he was married to a “white socialite from
Chicago” can’t remember her name right now – I know she is deceased but what made her a socialite…. and does anyone know. Newspaper family, realestate – ??
I started investigating Davis after the Donald Young murder because I always suspected there was a bisexual or homosexual aspect to his character but could never find anything. This revelation that Davis was the author of “Sex Rebel: Black (Memoirs of a Gourmet Gash) under the pseudonym, Bob Greene confirms my suspicions that is the case.
Obama’s Mentor Was a Pervert
Covering a sensitive and explosive subject that has been off-limits for the major U.S. media, the London Daily Telegraph is now claiming that Frank Marshall Davis was a strong influence over a young Barack Obama for nine years of his life, rather than just four, and was a sex pervert and pothead.
The Telegraph article alleges that Davis was a bisexual engaged in “sordid” sexual activities and had repeated sexual encounters with a 13-year-old girl.
Davis died in 1987.
“Although identified only as Frank in Mr. Obama’s memoir Dreams from My Father, it has now been established that he was Frank Marshall Davis.
In Dreams From My Father, the mysterious “Frank” makes numerous appearances and gives Obama advice on matters ranging from race relations to college and his life in the U.S.
Obama’s white grandfather, Stanley Dunham, picked Davis because Obama’s black father had abandoned the family and Dunham thought Obama needed a black father-figure. Davis was Obama’s mentor during the critical years 1975-1979.
Obama was introduced to Davis in 1970 when he was only nine years old. This would mean that Davis was an influence over Obama for about nine full years, until Obama was 18 and went off to college.
Sources quote Dawna Weatherly-Williams, a friend of Davis’s, as saying that Stanley Dunham brought Obama to meet Davis in the autumn of 1970. She “was chatting with him [Davis] that late autumn afternoon as Dunham and Barry [Obama] approached,”
Some accounts say that Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971.However, the Punahou School, the coeducational college preparatory day school in Honolulu that Obama attended from 1971 to 1979, was adamant that Obama took his entrance examine in autumn 1970. But whether it was 1970 or 1971, this adds several years to the amount of time that Davis was exercising influence over Obama.
Washington Post chairman, the late Katharine Graham, began her career as a journalist for the San Francisco News using, among others, Frank Marshall Davis, as a news “source.” This fact is acknowledged in an obituary of Graham on the official Post website. The Post Company and the paper today are run by members of the Graham family.
Frank Marshall Davis was sent to Hawaii from Chicago to organize there. Davis went to Hawaii after consulting with Paul Robeson and Bridges, who ran the International Longshore and Warehouse Union. This labor union subsidized the newspaper, the Honolulu Record, which Davis wrote for.
We also know that, as late as the early 1970s, after he had met Obama, Davis was still associating with the American Committee for Foreign Born, which existed to prevent the deportation from the U.S. of foreigners. Davis had met Bridges at the Abraham Lincoln School in Chicago.
Davis’s alleged sexual perversion adds a dramatic and alarming element to the controversy. Davis’s sexual proclivities were documented in a 1968 pornographic novel, written just two years before Davis became Obama’s mentor, which was titled, Sex Rebel: Black (Memoirs of a Gourmet Gash). Davis wrote the book, which is now generally unavailable, under a pseudonym, Bob Greene.
The book, which closely tracks Mr. Davis’s life in Chicago and Hawaii and the fact that his first wife was black and his second white, describes in lurid detail a series of shockingly sordid sexual encounters, often involving group sex. One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr. Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called Anne. Mr. Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her. In the book he describes how he and his wife would have sex with the girl many times over the course of several weeks
This explosive information, if the character in the book is actually based on Davis’s own experiences, would further demonstrate why Obama would want to cover up Davis’s true identity in his book, calling him just “Frank.”
There is no question that Davis wrote the book under the pseudonym of “Bob Greene.” John Edgar Tidwell, the editor of other books by Davis, has confirmed this is the case.
In the introduction to Livin’ the Blues, a book by Davis that Tidwell edited, Tidwell reveals that Davis left behind after his death an uncompleted manuscript, “The Incredible Waikiki Jungle,” which describes how Davis “specialized in sex” during the period 1969-1976. Tidwell also says that Davis wrote another unpublished manuscript called “Mixed Sex Salad.”
Whether the book Sex Rebel is entirely based on Davis or not, the controversy certainly demonstrates that Davis had a perverted sexual interest.
The Obama campaign’s 40-page so-called rebuttal to Corsi’s book confirms and does not deny the Obama relationship with Davis. With the allegations about Davis’s life as a sex pervert and consumer of illegal drugs, the pressure could mount on Obama to come clean about the mysterious relationship.
You must be bad to be rejected by the NBP and NOI in spite of such an impressive book list.
Well, why is this coming out? Hm. Who sent it?
1. Misdirection by BO/BS camp. From what? Another scandal altogether? Another Khalid Al-Mansour? (That is, it looks like it would be this one because he’s a fraud, a racist, etc. But there is another of the same name. So this one gets debunked, then people blow off the other one.)
2. Attack from an opposition camp. Would only seem to be McCain, but there’s still Clinton and Nader in the background. Who could benefit from this story?
3. Propaganda from heaven knows who to soften the world up for some new bizarre revelation.
And also, I find Sutton’s story very interesting. He’s old enough that it’s easy to assume he has mental deterioration. And he well might. He could have made up the story, but he made it up out of something he knew. if we could know enough of his past associations.
Based on a 90-yr old I know well and how she garbles history, the most reliable part of the story we have now is Sutton knew someone he now thinks of as Khalid, “Khalid” was associated with a very rich man, and “Khalid” is associated with Obama and a university. Sutton did some favor to the man he’s thinking of as Khalid. Sutton thinks he got O. into Harvard, but it might have been something else. He sticks the law review in anachronistically–he may associate that with Obama, and think that he wrote to “a friend” (who?) with pull at Harvard.
So–I wouldn’t exactly disregard Sutton, I’d wonder how he got the narrative.
I Think all of the above true to a point.I am still concerned about the Kenya-African ties alot. Didn’t Obama say that he thought as a child his real father an African prince ? Well ,there was money for Stanley to fly around the world no matter her situation at the time.She was young.There has always been money for Obama.Who are Odinga and those relatives ? Wasn’t the recent election in Kenya involving Odinga ? Sounds alot like this election.Very close. What is the relation to Obama and the African leaders ? How did Obama’s dad get the money to come to the US for school, and fly the world also ? Was he a CIA informant or agent ? I keep remembering that post.”The story is in Oil and Africa” It stays in the back of my mind.
Bemused, I agree with you. I would say that there is some truth to what Sutton is saying. He may have some of it confused – or he may not. “Khalid” could have told him that Obama needed a recommendation – which he wrote “To whom it may concern” and Khalid could have told Sutton that Obama was at Harvard – so – Sutton says he wrote the letter for Obama to help him get into Harvard. (many old people are sharp) Both my mother and grandmother died at 85 and were sharp until the day they died. My aunt was sharp at 89 and my great uncle was deaf and blind but sharp until 105. Old doesn’t mean confused. He may have it all right and explain it badly.
Intersections:
Attica – 1971ish – Black Panthar’s from Calif head to upstate NY. I’ll bet Malcom wasn’t too far from that scene.
Timmothy Leary and the Ayers group. The Weathermen smuggled Leary and his wife out of US to Algeria where he sought the patronage of Eldridge Cleaver and the remenants of the US Black Panthar Party gov’t in excile.
Leary-Ayers-Blank Panthers.
Leary – Ayers – Obama
Black Panthers – Donald Warden – Obama
Malcom X – Bo’s favourite book (he wrote that in one of his books) – Sutton
In the mid to late 60’s and into 70’s the BPP were being invited everywhere to speak etc – China, Japan, Sweden, Denmark, Canada. There is no way that connections were not made.
This is just history and maybe ways to know the person running for President is or is not.
Another interesting line: Eldridge Cleaver from his writings “Every black person knows that the winds may change at any…….”
Didn’t BO say “if the political winds change I will stand with the Muslims”?
I guess I missed
Warden – Sutton – Obama
just one more thing for comic relief -
try again -
Tom Wofe wrote a book about Leary and his Millbrook estate in New York state – and he called it The Electric Cool-aide Acid Test.
Are Obama supporters now not referred to as having drunk too much cool aide .
Just thought it was a cute coincidence.
Bemused – you said:
“2. Attack from an opposition camp. Would only seem to be McCain, but there’s still Clinton and Nader in the background. Who could benefit from this story?”
I respectfully disagree with this point. McCain has much better ammunition against Obama than this. If Clinton wanted Obama out, she’d have done it long before now. She currently stands to gain the least from Obama being disqualified or bowing out; she benefits the most if he loses to McCain in November “honestly”. Nader has run in numerous campaigns and has never yet stooped to trying to discredit his opponents with smear tactics. He attacks them on policy and the things they do in the open (that seems to be the main reason he waits so long to enter the race – to see if an “honorable” person will be a frontrunner).
I do, however, like your suggestion that camp Obama is trying to divert attention from another Khalid Mansour (or perhaps they didn’t think this one would be found out so quickly). And I totally agree with your assessment of Sutton’s state of mind. He didn’t come up with this out of thin air. Either someone fed him the information (and quite recently), and/or parts of it ring true. For instance, why would a 90 year old know that Barack Obama was President of the Harvard Law Review. I have a very lucid 89 y/o grandmother that I can guarantee wouldn’t retain that bit of trivia (unless someone had said it to her right before she was interviewed). She would, however, make quite a bungle out of information she had recently heard and tried to repeat from short term memory. She remembers things from many years ago clearly.
And Judah – as far as your comments regarding Sutton’s statement about not knowing Obama during the campaign I would suggest that it’s quite possible that a man his age would not associate the name of someone he so casually encountered (through someone else) years ago with a current Presidential candidate. Again, my grandmother had to refer to friends she knows now by their maiden names in order to keep them straight. That also raises the question of whether the person he met or wrote the recommendation for was even called Barack Obama (perhaps Barry Soetoro or Barry Obama). My question would be this: who reminded him that he had either known or heard of Obama in the past, and why? I think the motivation is the important thing here, and I think we can assume it was not one for good.
Grail Guardian–
I don’t really see McCain doing this or Clinton either. Just put in “opposition” as a general category because obviously a person would probably not want to be associated with this Khalid Mansour, so linking would be an attack. As there are plenty of hyperactive conspiracy theorists out there, it could be a loose cannon as well as the “known knowns.”
Think also, you are right that the next question on Sutton is, who reminded him of this and what were the circumstances? And was he talking about this Obama or his father–could Sutton ever have crossed paths with the old man?
Observer
Interesting info about Davis, thank you.
I read someplace else that Davis and “gramps” were good friends and the question I have is how did “gramps”, a furniture salesman, get to be good friends with a somewhat famous communist black poet?
I have a theory that gramps, Stanley Armour Dunham, was communist. That might explain some of the places he moved his family to, such as Seattle/Vancouver and Honolulu.
observer — do you have a link for that telegraph article?
Telegraph article link
whuptdue, thanks
Ha Obma mentions his muslim faith this morning.
I’d like to get a longer version of the Obama interview segment with GS today, to get the lead-up to that comment about his “Muslim faith.”
Anyone have that?
TD,
This one is a little longer.
Al-Monsour 1st reponse to Newsmax “I was determined I was never going to be in that situation, he said. Bloggers are saying this is the new Rev. Wright in drag! and he is a nationalist, racist, and worse than Rev. Wright. So any statement that I made would only further this activity which is not in the interest of Barack.
His 2nd reponse Al-Monsour’s “only hesitance in denying it, he said, had been in contradicting Sutton, “a dear friend, his health is not good.” If the 2nd response is true, why the 1st “which is not in the interest of Barack.?” Contradicting Percy Sutton is VERY MUCH in the interest of Barack.
NOW ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS
Your Q =Why did he not simply solicit a grant from his employer?
A= Who said he did’nt, he asked Sutton for a letter not money. Sutton has never said who AL-Mansour was asking for Money. It could be anyone. Al-Mansour himself is Obamas biggest problem.
Your Q=if Obama’s grades from Occidental and Columbia were good why would he need a letter from anyone
A= “The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago. The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to the public.” By ROSS GOLDBERG, Special to the Sun
A Better question if Obama’s grades from Occidental and Columbia were good why would he need to keep them secret.
Your Q=If Mansour knew him? Had Mansour ever met Obama? Nothing in this section of the interview makes any sense at all. I would hesitate to even try to make a case that Khalid Al Mansour and Senator Obama know each other at all, or ever did.
A=But in the lengthy interviewwith newsmax, “al-Mansour confirmed that he frequently spoke on university campuses, including Columbia, where Percy Sutton suggested he met Obama in the late 1980s from the Newsmax Interview.” Mr Sutton doesn’t appear confused to me.
Your Q=(you can get a magna cum laude out of Harvard Law with a ‘C’ Grade Average)
A= You have to get accepted first to have any grade. The question is not about Obama’s final grade but his connection to Mansour. The idea here is Obamas associations not his IQ.
One might also ask who Sutton’s friends at Harvard were, members of the Faculty? If not they couldn’t help in any way.
A= He wrote to me about him,” Sutton recalled. “And his introduction was there is a young man that has applied to Harvard. I know that you have a few friends up there because you used to go up there to speak” again heres the answer ” I know that you have a few friends up there because you used to go up there to speak”
At the time Obama was at Harvard, “Mr. Obama was the most prominent minority student on a campus shaken by racial politics. A group agitating for greater faculty diversity occupied the dean’s office and sued the school for discrimination; Derrick Bell, a black law professor, resigned over the issue.” By JODI KANTOR
Published: January 28, 2007 Seems like a Sutton letter would be considered seriously at “A campus shaken by racial politics”.
Your Q= The Prince is American educated, Pro-American, Pro-British and Pro-French. He isn’t the sort of man one would expect Mansour to associate with, or advise.
A=But in the lengthy interview with Newsmax, “al-Mansour confirmed that he frequently spoke on university campuses, including Columbia, where Percy Sutton suggested he met Obama in the late 1980s, and confirmed his close relationship with Prince Alwaleed. In case you missed that Al-Mansour confirmed ” and confirmed his close relationship with Prince Alwaleed.” Funny how Sutton had such good recall on that, Al-Mansours name, the correct school Harvard, the fact he’d recieved a letter but was totally confused on this entire situation by your measure.
Everything is there, makes sense, any other explanations seem to have holes. I could go on longer but I am out of time.
Percy Sutton did not attend Harvard and, according to his various biographies, Khalid Mansour has Lectured at Harvard (We will come to those biographies later), why would Mansour ask, or need to ask, Sutton to write such a letter?
A=You think Dr Al-Mansour has the same status as Percy Sutton. Please have you seen the Al-Mansour videos.
Nice to have you back, TD. Keep up the great work!
“Gramps” went to Berkeley on a GI Bill grant. Need we say more?
It seems incredible that, in order to provide Black influence to Barack that he would chose a pervert like Frank UNLESS he had pulled the wool over his eyes completely as in purporting to be a leftie like grandpa.
Remember Gramps according to Barack criticized Grandma for stating that the panhandler who harassed and threatened her was black. She was supposed to have omitted that detail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/oopsies-my-muslim-faith/
Obama speaks to Stephanopoulos about “my muslim faith”
I LOVE the way he chokes and says “ugggh gurgle gurgle gurgle” then “my Christian faith” LOL
Back again
Your “” Sutton testimony never met Obama, he was quoted during the Primaries as saying of Obama at the time, “We don’t know the other person in this election — we’ve never met him”.
A= At no time in the video does he claim to know Obama from a meeting. Sutton-Obama is not the problem Al-Mansour-Obama is the problem. Again, interview with newsmax, “al-Mansour confirmed that he frequently spoke on university campuses, including Columbia.” With so little known about Obama’s years at Columbia, makes you wonder if he had something like this to hide.
Your”" Prince Talal has connections at Harvard, has given Harvard tens of millions of dollars, and Obama was a Legacy Student,
A= Might a Legacy Student with weak grades need a little bit more like a “Genius” letter for the file. “The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago. The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to the public.” By ROSS GOLDBERG, Special to the Sun
Your Q =what purpose would a letter from Sutton serve that a letter from Mansour wouldn’t? Or a letter from Prince Talal?
A=My speculation No paper trail of Obama to Al-Mansour then to Al-Mansour-Talal, just a nice letter from a Civil Rights Icon Percy Sutton in the file, alot better for your political future on a big stage. It was looking good till that interview.
Lastly, after Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told Politico that “Obama did not know and does not know Khalid al-Mansour, if that turns out to be false, my thought, Obama withdraws before election day.
The Flags of the DNCC
This man wants to be VP and puts the American flag on the ground.
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/954ab22f-5437-40ff-aa20-29ad7af10c75
We don’t even know for sure THAT BO graduated magna cum laude, C-average or otherwise. He only says that he did. Where’s the proof?
I could go on and on, repeating elliewyatt’s excellent list of everything else that we’d like to SEE as proof of what he tells us (original birth certificate, transcripts, publications, etc.) but it’s posted on this blog elsewhere and we all know it by rote at this point.
ALL we know about him is what he tells us, either directly or through his memoirs.
BTW, how many relative unknowns with skimpy resumes do you know who can somehow get an advance, get a memoir published, and somehow also afford to write it in Bali?
Everything else that we know about him comes for the most part from the in-the-tank media, and they got it where? From his books!
Other than that, we have the Indonsian school records, which turned up ONLY because the MSM ran over there to DISPROVE the rumors they found on the blogs. (Quite unlike how they ran slavering up to Alaska, hoping to PROVE any and all disgusting rumors about Sarah Palin.)
In any case, it’s not a stretch to imagine that without those reporters WANTING to disprove the madrassa angle, we wouldn’t have even that document.
Now he has made a mega-Freudian slip of the tongue and talked about his “Muslim faith.” Ouch!
“It’s being taken out of context,” they say. But listen to the entire clip. George Steph. talks first about BO’s “CHRISTIAN faith.” With BO’s memory primed with that phrase, how the heck did he turn it into “MUSLIM faith”?
Freudian slip. No bones about it.
IF he weren’t so secretive about the FACT that he WAS a Muslim when he was younger, whether or not he’s a Christian now, then nobody would question whether or not he’s still a Muslim.
It’s the lying about it that raises red flags, because: What else is he lying about?
Why is he so secretive about EVERYTHING in his past? When is the MSM ever going to “vet” him?
“A Better question if Obama’s grades from Occidental and Columbia were good why would he need to keep them secret.” From Justthe Facts
I suspect it isn’t his grades at colleges he is hiding; it is the organizations he probably belonged to on those campuses, and that he was a practising Muslim – those are facts he is desparately attmepting to hide.
Remember, he didn’t “convert” to Christianity until after he became involved with Michelle Robinson and began attending Trinity in Chicago.
Certainly consistent with the incredible disappearing paper trail:
Your Q =what purpose would a letter from Sutton serve that a letter from Mansour wouldn’t? Or a letter from Prince Talal?
A=My speculation No paper trail of Obama to Al-Mansour then to Al-Mansour-Talal, just a nice letter from a Civil Rights Icon Percy Sutton in the file, a lot better for your political future on a big stage. It was looking good till that interview.
So actually, Sutton was being used. Might not even have been by Al-Mansour, although why not. Sutton doesn’t seem too confused although in my experience confabulators look quite poised very often.
But this leaves that other big question, why so few records? Why make this deliberate obfuscation? Who would have cared back then, and why would they take steps that no one would know twenty years later? The implications are worrisome.
As to Columbia, I think it is hidden not so much for grades (unless they were so abysmal they would really raise eyebrows and cause special intervention to be necessary, which would explain Sutton’s letter) but for classes he took, teachers he knew, papers he wrote, field trips he made, something like that which could be reconstructed from a transcript. It might also have disciplinary records on that or name changes.
Obama’s Years at Columbia Are a Mystery:He Graduated Without Honors NYSUN
Not much . . .but confirmation of Obama’s lack of academic achievement at Columbia which would explain the need for recommendation letters from the likes of Sutton.
JB says:
Mansour has certainly never been on the Faculty of most of these Institutions, though he may have given talks on Campus to Muslim Student’s Societies.
and EmCrouchon says:
it is the organizations he probably belonged to on those campuses,
and putting those together, one could conjecture that someone spent a lot of time in a student society where Warden might hang out. Warden (hate to sully the other Khalid Mansours) just fits so well with the boys in the ‘hood.
Thanks for your work Judah.
I have to disagree that Obama had no real motive to seek assistance with his application to Harvard. As already pointed out, he refuses to release his transcript from Columbia University. Moreover, it is debatable that he qualified as a legacy admit; his father attended Harvard but never graduated.
Finally, when he applied to Harvard, he had spent a few years dealing with the slime that is Chicago politics. It rubs off on a person. Getting people to pull strings for you is, as John Kass likes to say, The Chicago Way.
I know this is not part of the current conversation, but I had to post this because of it’s outrageous content in regards to Obama. Obama is an evil person and embroiled in activities that boggle the mind of any civilized human being:
Raila Odinga (Obama’s cousin) has, in his own words, a “close personal friendship” with Barrack Hussein Obama Junior. When Obama went to Kenya in August of 2006, he was hosted by Raila and spoke in praise of him at rallies in Nairobi… Obama’s bias for his fellow Luo was so blatant that a Kenya government spokesman denounced Obama during his visit as Raila’s “stooge.”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=149_1199587542
In the recent elections in Kenya, violence broke out as Raila lost the elections:
This past weekend, women and children — entire families — were burned alive as a crowd of Kenyans torched a church where they had gathered to protect themselves.
The cause of the violence was Odinga’s inflammatory comments about the election:
When Raila Odinga lost the presidential election last week (12/27) to Mwai Kibaki, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of people were burned to death in a church set on fire… Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people have been politically murdered in the last few days.
At first a million man march was planned but Obama put in some frantic 11th hour calls to his cousin to call that off, since it would reflect badly on his campaign at home, (he is locked in a battle with Hillary and it was the day of the N.H. primary), to have the media filled with images of angry Blacks rioting over a diputed election result. Odinga agreed to hold off, but now he is getting impatient. The agreement is probably to try to give Obama enough time to get his own candidacy flowing smoothly among Democrats before unleashing the violence.
But Odinga can only hold off for so long, since he faces likely criminal charges over the organized slaughter of Kikuyu by his (and Obama’s) Luo tribesmen.
Odinga who is challenging the current Kenyan President Kubaki. It was established by references to an article in Time Magazine that Obama has a ‘very close friendship’ with Odinga. There are links in Wikipedia which show that Odinga has initiated coups in the past, been accused of corruption and is an all-round troublemaker. What’s worse, it became clear that Odinga’s supporters were killing and burning property on a rampage across Kenya to support Odinga’s bid to take over Kubaki’s presidency. However, now further, more shocking details have come out:
There appears to be growing evidence that the violence in Kenya was organized in advance, perhaps with Obama’s knowledge.
http://www.sodahead.com/blog/2048/
I’ve been following all this (Hillary Supporter–now McCain) for a few months now and trying to make sense of all this.
This post makes my head ache but I tried to assimilate all of it. Although I can’t say I understand all of it, it is very detailed and I think underscores the importance of not running with any old story and believing everything that we see or read.
On the other hand, as others have said the idea that Percy Sutton’s mind is old and failing is speculation and not everyone that old loses their faculties.
The Cable channels today have been mentioning now how they believe the Dem party is is going to be using Hillary to go after Sarah Palin. I hope this doesn’t happen. From what I have gathered the Hillary Campaign’s financial debt is huge and I worry that this is being used as a bargaining chip.
This all seems to be some kind of race against the clock, for truths to be known in time for justice to prevail.
At any rate great work on this blog.
Warden(al-Monsour) and Malcom X were in 1962 there was an incident in LA where two white police officers shot 7 black Muslims (my numbers may be wrong) but and Malcom flew to LA within couple of days – Warden too – it was also just after that in 1962 that Warden set up the Afro-American Assoc. at Berkley.
There was also a Harlam branch of Black Panther Party set up by Lee Lew-Lee, I am sure Sutton would have come in contact with them on many occassions.
I don’t have the year but after the Watts Riot Warden cut a record called Burn Baby Burn. I have not heard it but apparently it is Warden’s oratory with instrumental background and chorous voices.
After BO’s New Hampshire speech Black eyed Peas , Herbie Hasncock and others did the same kind of recording of the speech. Coincidence?
In the Telegraph article it said Davis went to Hawaii at the advice of his friend Paul Robeson.
Paul Robeson Jr. is a writer and a activist – he believes that the CIA had a hand in killing his father with LSD (thinking of the Wright condemnation of US). It seems plausible to me that Davis would have told BO about Robeson if not put them in contact.
I think a lot of people have had a hand in life path of BO – a very mixed up young man in search of self who needs adoration and gets used in the process.
I have empathy for him, for his past I mean, who he has come to be now though sure as hell is not who should be president.
I haven’t put links to the above info but it is all available on the internet – google any of the names you’ll get lots of info if you want.
For Judah – I got it that you are concerned about racisim – or the appearance of racisim but this is about history and understanding NOT race.
Although just arriving here, I appreciate all the info provided. However, no one has mentioned the lawsuit recently filed in Pennsylvania, by former Deputy Attorney General, Philip J. Berg, Esq. You can view the lawsuit and documentation at http://www.obamacrimes.com. If the lawsuit were considered frivolous, the judge would have dismissed it. However, the only part of the suit that was laid aside was the TRO which would have prevented BO from going foward with the convention. Also named in the suit was the DNC and FEC and the various names BO has gone by, bringing into question his rights to run for POTUS via the Constitution, his “birth” certificate and the Indonesian passport used when traveling to Pakistan when he was 20. They have until mid-October to answer the suit.
“The Audacity of Deceit” hits bookstores the same day as Barack Obama’s new campaign book, “Change We Can Believe In.” The embargoed book will reveal shocking new research and previously hidden information about the elusive presidential candidate.
With all due respect to Mr. Benjamin, inconsistencies or inaccuracies (if such they may be) are insufficient to discredit the larger thread and context of Percy Sutton’s story. Obviously from his interview he believes what he is saying and has intimate knowledge of some such series of events. It is a common practice when one wishes to discredit a speaker’s testimony to use inaccurate details to discredit the entire account. However, we know, for example, with children who are victims of abuse that those who give very consistent stories are often the ones with a made up story, whereas those who are fuzzy and contradictory with details are often the ones actually telling the truth. Even if Percy is inaccurate in details, the larger story clearly merits investigation, and pointing to potential errors of detail is insufficient to discount the whole account. If he is suffering the effects of age, it is more likely that this is the cause of his open HONESTY about things rather than his obfuscation, although, as in the case with the aforementioned children whose memory may be unclear, it also explains how some details might be mixed up, but the overall story may well be true. Clearly from the video Percy things so. This one should not be dropped. The names, locations, and events may be different in particular, but still true in overall significance.
Here is what disturbs me and why I do not discount Sutton’s story entirely, small details notwithstanding:
When initially contacted by Newsmax, Al-Mansour did not immediately say “Rubbish” or “I don’t even know Obama.”
If someone attributed a story like that to me, about a person I didn’t even KNOW, that’s the first thing I would say. I certainly wouldn’t prevaricate or pontificate. I’d say right off that there must be some mistake — particular if I’d never even MET the person!!
However, notably, that’s NOT what Al-Mansour said.
He rambled on and on (it appears he does this a lot). Nowhere did he say ‘I’ve never met Obama.’ Newsmax in its interview of Al Mansour said: “…he deflected several attempts to get him to answer direct questions about his relationship with Obama.”
Asked specifically whether he had “spotted” Barack Obama while he was an undergraduate at Columbia as a promising student he wanted to help get into Harvard Law School, al-Mansour pleaded a faulty memory.
“I give a lot of speeches on college campuses, in the US and abroad. So I meet people all the time…. But I can’t say that I remember that.”
Nor would he confirm or deny that he had called Sutton, as Sutton reveals, asking him to help Obama get into Harvard.
Now, these answers seem to me like a guy who’s thinking he’d better hedge his bets until he talks to Obama personally, just in case some other reporter gets to Obama first, so they can get their stories straight. Sure enough, the next day Obama came out with a complete denial, claiming that they two of them have never met.
The above bloviating and prevaricating from Al-Mansour sounds like a line of crap to me. It sure doesn’t sound like something you would hear from a guy you never met. I say it’s a big fat lie. If you’ve never met a person, you’d be comfortable saying so. Particularly a famous person running for president.
To jcm:
Sorry, but, I NEVER said Warden and Sutton don’t know each other, it is a given that they do, and quite well, they were friends at one time, but that has nothing to do with anything, contextually. And it doesn’t prove Sutton is telling the truth.
Warden may have written to Sutton about Obama, at some time, and probably has but not in the context Sutton is giving it in this interview. My guess would be that it was about Columbia, if anything, Sutton might have had real influence there. When Obama was at Occidental Warden was in California and Sutton in New York. Maybe Obama attended one of Warden’s talks, maybe they were introduced by a mutual friend, I don’t know, yet.
Secondly I did NOT say that Obama’s grades from Columbia would have been good enough to get him into Harvard, as a matter of fact I am quite convinced they weren’t and have read testimony that tends to confirm that. However Sutton says/implies they were and it is Sutton’s testimony I’m looking at here and Sutton’s beliefs, not mine.
All I am saying is that (a) I don’t believe Sutton’s testimony because it makes no sense; (b) Prince Talal isn’t Obama’s backer. I think I have a good idea of who might be and that person isn’t Arab.; (c) Prince Talal probably wouldn’t take Warden’s word for much because Warden, in my opinion, is a Conman and Talal, who is anything but stupid, must know that. Warden claims to be Talal’s “Principal Advisor” but nobody seems to have asked the Prince if that is true. For a while I thought Warden could not be the Prince’s Lawyer because of his “eccentric” views, which are the reverse of anything the Prince believes. Then I realized that Warden is/was a good Attorney, in spite of that, and that his resume is so padded that one could easily remove the “Principal”, or “Senior” and be close to the truth.
As for canadafreepress, we’ll agree to differ, but so far they haven’t produced one solid lead on Obama of any sort. In the past they have published stories on Iran and Islamism which were provable nonsense. They have said Obama’s stepfather was a Radical Islamist, etc and that is propaganda pure and simple because it just isn’t true. I didn’t ask people not to read canadafreepress and if you want to believe what they write that is your privilege, but if you do, you are not likely to agree with my views anyway.
Beware the Islamist narrative, the truth must be worse because Obama can live with what the anti-Islamists are pushing, in fact he encourages it. He WAS a Muslim, that’s a fact. He IS, or appears to be, a believer in a very nasty “Christian” Heresy, that’s a fact too. But he wasn’t Shiite, or Wahabi. Don’t look at Africa, or the Middle East, or Warden’s Beliefs, look at an eight year old boy in a classroom in Indonesia. That’s where your problem begins, an eight year old boy, who doesn’t understand what the people around him are saying or understand the world he is living in. He still doesn’t.
If you want to attack me, please don’t do it by accusing me of saying that I said something I didn’t. I can’t stand Obama and don’t think he’s fit to be Dog Catcher in Rapides Parish, LA. I don’t think he’s a good speaker and his Academic Record, invisible as it is, impresses me less than not at all. I might be impressed if he was an LLM, or an SJD, but he isn’t, he’s a BA and a JD. And he’s never even functioned as that, beyond lecturing and his lectures weren’t great either! Do you know any Lawyers who aren’t JDs? Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton all have more impressive Academic Records than he does. Please note, that all three of them hold Postgraduate Qualifications and Bill and Hillary have both taught Law, too.
He would be the worst President in First World History, if you want my opinion.
I agree wholeheartedly with “an observer” about Frank Marshall Davis, who in my opinion was not only a Marxist but a pervert of the deepest, and most unpleasant, dye and I am far from sure that some of Davis’ other associates weren’t/aren’t also. “The Daily Telegraph” is not wrong, in fact their coverage is mild. One reason Davis went to Hawaii was the low (14 yrs) Age of Consent at the time. Obviously, Warden has nothing against sexual deviance or he wouldn’t have some of the friends he does. I don’t like Marxists, but I detest Rapists and Frank Marshall Davis was a Rapist and, at least, an Ephebophile, if not a Pedophile.
He could not be considered to be a good influence on a young boy. It concerns me that his grandfather allowed the friendship. I have my doubts about Stanley Armour Dunham’s politics but an association with Davis gives me doubts about other things, too. Doubts that make me very uncomfortable.
Incidentally, while Obama may have sat the Ponahou entrance Exam in 1970 he didn’t enter the school until September of 1971. His mother would not have been fit to travel until at least mid-September 1970 and we know he did not leave Jakarta, permanently, until his sister was a year old. His sister was born in Jakarta on August 15th 1970.
To bemused:
You say “1. Misdirection by BO/BS camp. From what? Another scandal altogether? Another Khalid Al-Mansour? (That is, it looks like it would be this one because he’s a fraud, a racist, etc. But there is another of the same name. So this one gets debunked, then people blow off the other one.)”. I think the first part is the answer, they did not originate the story but somebody decided to publicize it now. I think it is to distract from another and worse scandal but the connection is not with any of the various Khalid Mansours, or Prince Talal. If I’m right on this we can expect another similar story any day now and it won’t be that one either.
There are connections between Obama and Warden/Mansour but they aren’t this one. I haven’t finished digging into it, yet but as I said, Warden knows Jeremiah Wright and he also knows William Ayres. Sutton does not know Obama, which is to say that he has never met him, or like many other people doesn’t remember doing so, but Obama and Warden have met, I am told, more than once.
It is yet another unhealthy association but it isn’t the beginning of the “Money Trail”, unless I’m wrong about Prince Talal. However, Prince Talal is closely associated with the originator of that trail, again unless I’m wrong, I just doubt he knows anything about it.
BTW, Warden was rejected by the Black Panthers, seemingly, because Huey Newton thought he was a coward and that while he “talked the talk, he didn’t walk the walk”, the NOI, apparently,rejected him because he was close to Malcolm X.
To Renee:
Exactly, there was money coming to Stanley Ann from somewhere even before Ponahou and it wasn’t coming from the Middle East. Prince Talal moved into the world from which Obama’s push and cash came, he didn’t make it.
To peppermintgirl:
Many old people are very sharp indeed, but that doesn’t change the fact that what Percy Sutton is saying here does not make sense.
I say again, what worries me is who triggered this. It isn’t McCain/Palin, it isn’t Hillary Clinton. I assume that it is someone in Obama’s camp but it might be Warden himself grabbing a bit more notoriety by association. I do not know, but unless I’m wrong the story is a plant.
To Justthe Facts:
Sutton claims that Warden was trying to raise money for Obama. I wasn’t suggesting he was trying to raise it from Sutton. If Warden wanted money for Obama he had only to ask the Prince, if Sutton is correct. The Prince doesn’t seem even to have given Warden money, except for services rendered as an Attorney. Warden’s account of his relationship with Talal appears to be, like almost everything else in his biography, a lie. In fact I am quite sure the money that Obama had did not come from Warden or Talal. Looking at Warden’s own lifestyle I’d doubt he could raise the cash for a good suit, much less to get someone into Harvard. If the Prince wouldn’t fund the publication of Warden’s books why would he fund Obama? Talal isn’t a Political Person.
I DON”T think Obama’s Grades were spectacular, which coopers the “genius” argument. I do think somebody got Obama into Harvard despite that. I don’t think it was either Sutton or Warden and I know, it almost certainly wasn’t, Prince Talal.
I said I would hesitate to make a case, based on what Sutton said, that Obama knows Warden and I would. I didn’t say I don’t think he does, because I do, they have too many friends in common, Sutton isn’t one of them, for me to doubt it.
If you tell me Obama knew Warden when he was at Harvard I’d agree it is likely, but that isn’t the issue here.
I don’t think Warden has Sutton’s status, or even close, he doesn’t because he is, apparently, a fanatical believer in a warped Theological/Historical Theory. However, neither have any status vis a vis Harvard that would have helped Obama. Sutton did not, and does not, know Obama personally so he could not help him get into Harvard.
Sutton sounds cogent but since I have had people tell me, with great detail, that they were eyewitnesses of Historical events which did not in fact occur forgive me for not believing him. Additionally, since none of what Sutton is saying makes contextual sense how he sounds is irrelevant.
The real problem is that people want to believe what Sutton is saying and what Warden is saying, just as they want to believe Obama was always tied to Middle Eastern Interests. In my opinion both Obama and Warden are Con-Artists with egos the size of planets, why believe any of it? Obama HAS very unsavory Middle Eastern connections, and very unsavory American, European and Far Eastern connections, but Warden has nothing to do with that and those connections didn’t exist at the time. Now Pakistan is another matter….
I want to see Obama’s University Records as much as anyone does, I want to see his other Records, too, all of them. I want to know what he is hiding and who has carried and pushed him all these years. The second I suspect I already know the answer to, but the first is such a large issue and involves his whole family that I may never see all the answers.
The whole story DOES NOT MAKE SENSE and that worries me.
A few thoughts I would be curious if anyone has comment on:
1. I have observed Bin Talal in the media for many years. He has a very carefully constructed public persona for the West and he is very bright. However, I am not sure that he is what he seems. Too much of what he does seems designed, however cleverly, for PR purposes. Not saying he has any connection here, but I’m just skeptical about him. Also, there is such a thing as hiding things in plain sight and comparing Al Mansour’s rubbish with Bin Talal’s reputation is enough for people to assume they have nothing to do with each other, whether true or not.
2. re Frank Marshall Davis – as a communist-affiliated labor sympathizer in Chicago, isn’t it highly likely that he knew Saul Alinksy, probably very well? I have wondered how Obama was directed to look in the direction of Alinsky organizing, on which so much of his campaign methodology and message is based. I would not be surprised if it was Davis who turned him on to Alinsky.
3. Has it occured to anyone that Obama’s entire family, including his mother and grandfather, were Communist sympathizers, or at least highly influenced by Marxist ideology in their belief system?
Yes, we’ve all heard the New World Order conspiracy theory. Frankly, I don’t buy it. But realistically I think we are just talking about people using socialist methods to replace ruling cliques. Not really profound. I’m not sure it’s useful to talk about broad conspiracies but rather to focus on the agendas of limited groups using ideology to promote themselves to power undeservedly.
I know who Mohn is and that they own random house and of the foundations leftist purpose – They all use each other.
If you separate out the connections you loose the full picture – connect the dots and follow the money – works every time.
Yes we will differ on sources – my comment was re your saying – please don’t use……”
Please re-read your original post:
2) last line -” If Bo’s grades from Occ. and Col. were goiod why would he need a letter from anyone – again this does not mesh with reality” – your words.
I was reading that as you saying he didn’t need a letter.
You also come from a postion of “Percy Sutton was a great man”…
again an opinion –
Percey sutton was not giving test testimoney he was doing a interview – you are weighting your words.
Re: your using the statement “We don’t know the other person in this election – we’ve never met him” – are you implying that makes him senile.
I read that as more like code – however guess that is because I think there is nothing wrong with Sutton’s mind.
So he is smart enough to be a Hilllary supporter but not smart enough to know what he is saying about OB?
I respect your opinions – don’t take mine as an offense – they are my opinions – take them or leave them.
You may also want to look at RasRaza Gas ; Global Project Group ; Parsons Engineering; Qatar and Al Mansour.
I think there are two maybe three with Mohn that have an invested interest in getting BO to the White house –
United African States want a permanent seat on UN security council.
Middle east for Muslim religious purposes
and the dispora of the african people who have the Pan-Africa vision.
I believe that in the pursuit of power even people who appear on the surface not
to be aligned would do so for a common cause.
sorry that should have been RasGas.
“…who has carried and pushed him all these years. The second I suspect I already know the answer …”
AAHHHRRGGHH TEASE !
Judah, Maybe Uncle Frank could be very,very, close friend,or maybe…Daddy Frank ?
Judah and TD,I also just ran into interesting info at barackobama.com. I was searching info on Frank Marshall Davis family,and it pulled up. Seems Frank and Helen’s only son Mark has been busy. Says born at Kapiolani Hosp. Honalulu, Hi. Born to: Frank Marshall Davis and Helen Canfield-Davis .Mark Kaleokualoha Davis born 11/9/1950. 5:31pm. He says he was commissioned as a 2nd Lt. in USAF 2/15/83.Honor grad of course g30br8051000 Air Intel.Officer.Lowry Tech.Training Ctr.6/14/83.Completed CIA Deception Analysis Course Aug 25,89, while assigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency. Has a course certificate from CIA office of Training and Education. Retired from USAF 2/1/93 with a Certificate of Retirement signed by Edward P.Barry Jr , Commander Space and Missile Systems Center. Certificate of Appreciation by George W.Bush upon retirement. Funny huh ? Dad watched by FBI and son works for CIA and has missile school ? He blogs as Kaleokualoha from Las Vegas,Nv.
I forgot.His pic is there also.He looks just like Frank Marshall Davis.
Renee–
I had the same creepy thought–after reading about Uncle Frank (who went to school in Kansas, by the way) and his initiating “Anne” into sex. Never thought Obama Sr. looked much like Jr./II. Too bad Jr. looks so much like Stanley Anne, this is hard to make a case for, and morphing software is too good, not convincing. Jr. has ears that are really different from both men, nose more like Frank.
Renee & bemused~
I also wondered about Davis being the father. He was living in Hawaii in 1960, and cruised the beaches and parks for sex partners. It might be a little more ’seemly’ to claim the father to be a foreign college student of economics from a family of ’station’, than a married known communist. We’ll never know that answer.
TD & Judah~
I am curious why you believe Ann and Stanley were communists??? I don’t understand why “Seattle/Vancouver and Hawaii” indicate anything in that regard?
I must say that I think Stanley was creepy. I found through the writings about Frank Davis that he not only was a child molester, sex-obsessed, a pornographer, drug user & heavy drinker… gramps Stanley brought him to Frank’s house at age 9. Stanley seemed close enough to Frank to have well known what Frank’s “hobby” was.
Frank was living in Koa Cottages in The Waikiki Jungle in 1970 when Stanley brought the child to see Frank. I lived in Koa Cottages in 1969-1970. It was not a place I’d take a child. It was full of drunks, druggies, male & female hookers and low-life-losers.
In 1981, when BO was 19, his poem about “Pop”, his grandfather Stanley was published in an Occidental College paper:
________________
Pop
Sitting in his seat, a seat broad and broken
In, sprinkled with ashes,
Pop switches channels, takes another
Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks
What to do with me, a green young man
Who fails to consider the
Flim and flam of the world, since
Things have been easy for me;
I stare hard at his face, a stare
That deflects off his brow;
I’m sure he’s unaware of his
Dark, watery eyes, that
Glance in different directions,
And his slow, unwelcome twitches,
Fail to pass.
I listen, nod,
Listen, open, till I cling to his pale,
Beige T-shirt, yelling,
Yelling in his ears, that hang
With heavy lobes, but he’s still telling
His joke, so I ask why
He’s so unhappy, to which he replies…
But I don’t care anymore, cause
He took too damn long, and from
Under my seat, I pull out the
Mirror I’ve been saving; I’m laughing,
Laughing loud, the blood rushing from his face
To mine, as he grows small,
A spot in my brain, something
That may be squeezed out, like a
Watermelon seed between
Two fingers.
Pop takes another shot, neat,
Points out the same amber
Stain on his shorts that I’ve got on mine, and
Makes me smell his smell, coming
From me; he switches channels, recites an old poem
He wrote before his mother died,
Stands, shouts, and asks
For a hug, as I shink, my
Arms barely reaching around
His thick, oily neck, and his broad back; ‘cause
I see my face, framed within
Pop’s black-framed glasses
And know he’s laughing too.
________________
What does “Points out the same amber Stain on his shorts that I’ve got on mine, and Makes me smell his smell, coming From me” mean?
A high-school literature teacher said to me, when I showed the poem to her, said: “If one of my students wrote that in my class, BY LAW, I’d have to report it.”
This poem makes me think everybody in this clan was having lewd sex .Maybe this is a real case of why Obama is so mixed up .Also,did you read the part about Frank Marshall Davis being almost lynched by 3rd grade boys as a child ? They put the noose around his neck and almost did it, then a white man came along and stopped the “necktie party ” as the article named it.Would this not have the same effect as far as creating a sexual pervert, like a rape victim that then likes to be raped ? He was into bondage, group sex, children ,pain on occasion, and urination during sex. What people would allow their young daughter around him, or a young grandson ? Stupid parents,or something worse ? Also , Grandpa Stanley was a furniture salesman right ? He lived in water-port areas.Seattle and Hawaii. Why ? Maybe furniture shipping crates were not always full of couches,etc..What if he were shipping something else also, thus the port access importance ? Just another thought.
Ellliewyatt and Bemused, Wouldn’t it be a scandal if your young daughter was knocked up by your kinky family friend ? A friend with a socialite wife that would be mad as hell ?Would that scandal have to be cleaned up fast ? Especially if Stanley and Frank were closer then close friends too ? Maybe Obama Sr.was a convenient and quick replacement daddy ? He was the right color,and in school with Stanley Ann.Then uncle Frank could be Stanley Ann’s sugar daddy forever, to keep his secret. I have been searching for the root of the divorce in the Davis-Canfield divorce in 1970. Maybe she found out a big secret, she didn’t care for too much .Frank Marshall Davis also published under the pen name Frank Boganey after 1927 (National Magazine) .That was the last name of his mothers second husband, as well as the name Bob Greene for Sex Rebel : Black. His son Mark says on his blog that he doesn’t like right wingers trashing his dad or Obama’s name.Sorry Mark,looks like they did a good and kinky job, all by their selves.
It doesn’t appear that Frank’s ‘Chicago socialite’ wife would have been “mad as hell” about Frank’s escapades, since she participated in the repeated sexual molestation of a 13 year old girl.
Judah~
“… involves his whole family that I may never see all the answers.”
This brings back a comment you made about there being some questions or falsities about Ann “going back to 1942″ (her year of birth).
I wonder if you would talk about what this refers to?
Also, still, the question of what might indicate that she and/or Stanley were communists….other than some people saying she was a ‘fellow traveler’ and her high school has been called ‘red’ and her parents church called ‘red’. As for the school, I dunno… I grew up in Berkeley and plenty of my jr. high & high school teachers were communists and socialists, but I never have been.
Was Ann a Commie or CIA? She worked for the US embassy in Jakarta, and for many years for USAID and Ford Foundation, both regarded as CIA fronts by some.
She seems to have had an interesting life, having been to well more than a dozen countries, including a year in Pakistan 85-86 as “a consultant” “on a development project” for a Pakistan bank.
I would be very interested to know what your “take” is on Ann.
elliewyatt thanks for the info:
Something else that came into my mind in reading it was – it is so raw with emotion – and he allowed it to be published – might it be he is surfacing,at that time as gay, and it was kind of like an explanation to his friends at Occ.
Re Davis’s son – in one of his posts at Ballot.com June14th – he says
“Davis’s crusty radicalism may have counterbalanced Hawaii’s laid back lifestyle for an African American teenager destined for greatness.
Although he never, in the posts back arnd that time, identifies himself as Davis’s son he always mentions Davis’s son (talking about himself) was an intelligence officer, etc.
I still haven’t been able to figure out who the Canfields (Helen Canfeild) of Chicago are – anyone found that?
It’s all too easy to picture a scene of serial and generational abuse. It would explain a lot of the psychodynamics. I thought the poem was pretty personal about Pop, the stain bit way too suggestive, and the part about mirroring Frank and sucking the vitality out, like a soul vampire, was the worst part. Think about it.
Elliewyatt,I guess I was thinking that the wife that is mentioned having sex with Frank and Ann was his first,black wife.Need to check time lines there to double check.When was the sex in Sex rebel ; Black supposed to happen in Hawaii ? Glad to see you back-I was wondering during the RNC where you went !
TD,Judah, BBC says today that $630k seized from Nigerian Stock Exchange.It was money for Obama’s campaign. Illegal to accept for Pres.Election. Wonder how many thousands of these did not get seized ? ,and still he is behind in the polls.
Funny TD,Just reading my notes regarding the above post,and our questions regarding sudden interest in Khalid Al-Monsour.Remember,he sits on numerous boards,including La Gray Chemical Co.Set up to do business in Africa.Counts former Nigerian President General Abdusalam Abubakar on it’s advisary board…….Coincidence ? Too many…….
Renee~
You are correct, I was mistaken. It was Frank’s first wife who was involved with the 13 year old.
Frank’s autobiographical pornographic book was published in 1968. One might assume that he’d share his new book with his pot-smoking & drinking buddy, Stanley, who brought 9 year old Barack to Frank’s seedy pad in 1970.
No child should have been around Frank, or at Koa Cottages at that time. Aside from it being populated by mainly hookers (male & female), small-time pimps, druggies, criminals and drunks, no guy could walk past the old hotel across the street without being cat-called and flashed by the transvestite hookers hanging out on the porch.
THIS is the “role-model” of a black man that Stanley chose for Barack???!!!!
BO called his grandmother “toot”, short for tutu, the Hawaiian word for grandmother. I also called my grandmother “Tutu”. Barack used a Hawaiian word in reference to Frank… a word that he said roughly translated to grandfather or mentor. Anybody know where to find that word he used? I did not hear/read the actual word used, and don’t know where to find his reference.
K State bio on Frank with photos
http://www.lib.k-state.edu/depts/spec/exhibits/pbs/davis-frank... http://www.lib.k-state.edu/depts/spec/exhibits/pbs/davis-frank.html
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TD and others, thanks for all the research. The post about the African-connection was very interesting, too.
I concur the notion that Sutton in essence is telling the truth, even if he might have mixed up some details (BTW, witnesses with testemonies that are just too perfect often raise suspicion in court-cases).
It’s clear that Sutton knows Warden well, and being asked to write a letter of recommendation – that’s what the interview imo is about, the whole ‘Mansour paid Obama’s study’ etc. is a later deduction from OTHERS, not Sutton – isn’t that strange a request by itself. Whether or not Obama really ‘needed’ it, or whether it ‘really’ would have influenced people to a decisive degree, is never said, either. It could very well be just another extra letter to pad a resume, that Sutton -now that Obama is so succesfull – likes to think has helped him, in whatever small way, get where he is now. Seems perfectly logical to me.
Regarding Warden/al-Mansour’s resume:
padding one’s resume happens all the time, I don’t see why Warden wouldn’t do it or wouldn’t be ‘allowed to’ by that prince. Politicans over here have done it all the time in any case. Warden seems pretty much to be operating in the fringe so perhaps the prince just hasn’t been that aware of Warden’s self-inflating of his self- importance (including to Sutton) and now that it is somewhat exposed, him paying attention to it would only make the situation even more embarrasing. I wouldn’t read too much in it.
Regarding the prince:
he could very well be on the side of angels but possible foreign influences/ties with the POTUS are by itself worthy of attention. Also, over here we have e.g. (according to a listener who knows Arabic) imams preaching one thing in the Dutch-transaltion of their sermons (”Christianity is wrong”) and another in the original Arabic version of the very same sermon (”the Jews are criminals”), claims that tenured Tariq-Ramadan (a professor whith a similar ‘resume’ as the prince) is much more radical back in Egypt, etc. Two-faces isn’t beyong the realm of possiblity.
Regarding Davis/Gramps:
Frank’s pervert nature is in my opinion the best angle to prevent an Obamanation. It’s clear, repulsive to almost everybody (his excuses regarding ‘Anne’ are in sync with the crap NAMBLA etc. feed about such relations), and doesn’t involve political discussions (many voters haven’t lived the full impact of the Sovjet-era so Marxism is more seen as political differences than a recipe for destruction).
BTW, didn’t Obama say the whole sex-ed bill was aimed at preventing perverts getting at children? I agree, children should be protected from the likes of FDM (there’s a great ad in that I think).
Keep up the good work
!
“I don’t know about anyone else, but I feel dirty just reading all this stuff.”
It’s because you know it’s all lies and you feel guilty for believing it
Al-Mansour claimed that Muslims were heirs to the greatest civilizations and achievements in history. Muslims had reached America before Columbus was born! The Zimbabwe Ruins had been built by Muslims, as had the Pyramids in Egypt. That the greatest strength of Black culture in Africa was literature. “Reading is our tradition. The slaves from Africa read, read, read.” That before the Whites came to Africa “To steal the land”, Blacks had built “great civilizations that had blast furnaces able to heat up to 1 000°C — making copper and knives and spears. We must rebuild our civilizations!” The first human beings in the world were Africans, he claimed.”
there is not one thing here that in NOT TRUE except that Muslims built the pyramids…which whoever transcribed this probably got the quote WRONG and it was probably NOT said that Muslims built the pyramids…the antecedents of Muslims built the pyramids and they were people who if they lived today would be considered Black…everything else in the above quote is true and white people have been misled and deceived…we are still having trouble with many of them today because they refuse to accept that the history of Africa was lost stolen and strayed and distinguished Afro-centric scholars are about the business of setting the record straight
I always wondered about the Colombia period-1980 I seem to remember that AYERS was there at the same time prior to BRINKs. Also there was a Rashid Khalidi a professor of Arab Studies at Columbia who sited as his major academic influence a Edward Said and Noam Chomsky. Khalidi is a long time friend of OBAMA & MICHELLE. Would explain why Obama to Chicago then to Harvard. Will we ever know who our President was, is or what??? Look them up along with Alinsky.