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• katmandu // May 21, 2008 at 12:08 am

  Quiz: What state did Bill Clinton (twice), Jimmy Carter (the election he won) and LBJ have in common? They were all presidents. They were Democrats. And they carried KY.

  If Al Gore had carried it he would have been President. Its 8 EVs would have been more than enough.

  McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale, Kerry, all lost it.

• texasdarlin // May 21, 2008 at 12:55 am

  Hillary can carry Kentucky, West Virginia, and possibly Tennessee in the general election — not to mention Florida.

  Wake up and smell the nescafe people!

• Boomer // May 21, 2008 at 1:35 am

  “More people have voted for Hillary than any other Democratic Primary candidate in history!”
  _______

  And that matters how?

  Notwithstanding the fundamental dishonesty of the computation.

• Gob Bluth // May 21, 2008 at 1:57 pm

  Boomer is spot-on.

  Also a big loss in Oregon, but hey, why mention such trivial points.

  Of note, of the 21% of voters in Kentucky who said that race was a factor in their decision, 90% went for Clinton. Ergo, more than 50,000 Kentucky Democrats are willing to admit (to say nothing of those who did not answer the question honestly, as is often the case with race-based polling queries) that Obama’s race was a factor in their determination not to vote for him. I hope Senator Clinton and Maggie Williams are holding their heads high this morning. How repugnant.

  I’ll be the first to say that anyone who didn’t vote for Senator Clinton because of the color of her skin - or her gender - ought to be ashamed of themselves.

• texasdarlin // May 21, 2008 at 3:40 pm

  Hey Gob — why is it okay for over 90% of the African American population to vote for Obama in your eyes.

  I am sick and tired of being called racist because I don’t like Obama. It’s not about race. See my post of that title.

  Do you think it would be an effective strategy for the GE to accuse all of John McCain’s supporters of racism? ha! good luck with that.

  Has it occurred to you that people just don’t think Barack is qualified?

• kyle // May 21, 2008 at 3:48 pm

  Hey Katmandu,

  Quiz: What matters more in a primary campaign?

  A. Who wins the popular vote

  or

  B. Which candidate is taller?

  In all seriousness, congrats to Sen. Clinton on her victory, but pretty please can we all start being honest about the popular vote?

• Boomer // May 21, 2008 at 4:15 pm

  “I am sick and tired of being called racist because I don’t like Obama.”
  _____

  LOL. Just as am I utterly fed up with tarred with the lame epithet “misogynist” owing to my own estimation that Hillary, by virtue of her shoddy, duplicitous ethics, is not qualified to be President. Being “tough” and “a fighter,” while perhaps necessary conditions, are far from being sufficient ones for Oval Office occupancy. That she finds it necessary to pad her resume so laughably, that she resorts to outright lies (Bosnia), that she calculatedly tosses out racist allusions (”hardworking white Americans” disqualifies her for me — regretfully so, as I once supported her.

  Has ZERO do do with gender. Has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that a person who will indulge such expedient win-at-all-cost dubieties is not gonna miraculously transform herself into a shining example of transparent public interest probity upon taking the Oath next January 20th. We should by now have searingly learned the enervating upshot of having a moral dilettante in the White House.

• Gob Bluth // May 21, 2008 at 4:19 pm

  TD,

  Try reading - a skill many of us picked up early in life.

  First, I said that if anyone - African Americans included - voted against Senator Clinton based on her race or gender, they should be ashamed. Right there, in plain English, in the last paragraph. I can’t make it any clearer than that. To suggest otherwise is a canard.

  Second, as to your point about Obama’s support among African Americans: if 90% of African Americans voted for Obama because they truly believe him to be the most qualified candidate, good for them. If any percentage voted for him because on the color of Senator Clinton’s skin, or her gender, they lack common decency. At no point did I suggest or otherwise state you were racist for not supporting Obama. Far from it.

  And why in my eyes is it ok for Obama to enjoy widespread support among African-Americans? Why in the world wouldn’t it be alright? I have absolutely no idea what point you are attempting to raise with the query.

  Third, when poll results show that 21% of Kentucky Democrats stated that race was a determination in their decision whom to support, and 90% of those went for Senator Clinton, it is an inescapable conclusion that Senator Clinton benefited from the support of people who counted as one factor against Obama the color of his skin.

  Finally, the notion that Obama or his campaign or surrogates might adopt as a general election strategy the labeling of McCain supporters as racists is a concept to ludicrous to address on the merits.

• Gob Bluth // May 21, 2008 at 4:26 pm

  Kyle,

  We all know - after listening to Terry McAuliffe yesterday morning - that the measure to be utilized is who has won the greater percentage of the popular vote and received more delegates since March 4. Because, as surely we all realize, nothing important happened prior to March 4.

• texasdarlin // May 21, 2008 at 4:43 pm

  Gob, you are welcome on this blog with dissenting views but please refrain from personal attacks such as: “Try reading - a skill many of us picked up early in life. ”

  This site will not tolerate attacks on other bloggers. There are plenty of other places you can go with that kind of tone.

  Agreed?

• kyle // May 21, 2008 at 5:14 pm

  Gob Bluth — are you sure? I really think height should be most important. Think about it:

  Even though Obama may look or appear or “be” taller, if you take height (74 inches) and compare it to Hillary’s height (160 centimeters), it’s not even close.

  160-74? That’s a landslide!

  (No Democrat has ever won the presidency without being taller than his opponent.)

• Gob Bluth // May 21, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  TD,

  Point taken. However, I feel I would be remiss if I did not point out that there are frequent attacks leveled on commenters on this blog, and you only seem to take exception to them when the antagonist deviates from your point of view. Hell, I’ve even seen you concur with them when the aggressor was similar in belief to you. Still, I could have made my point without the snarky comment, and I should not use the objectionable behavior of others to justify my own. My apologies.

  I’m with Boomer - I’m tired of being called a misogynist because I don’t support Senator Clinton. I would gladly vote for any of a number of women for President - Kathleen Sebelius, Claire McCaskill, and from what little I know of Jennifer Granholm, I like her. Too bad she was born in Canada.

  My problems with Mrs. Clinton have everything to do with her positions. She voted in support of George Bush’s Iraq debacle. And you know what, I could even forgive her that if she could come clean - as John Edwards did - on the fact that it was a gross mistake and a horrible miscalculation. But she can’t quite bring herself to do it.

  She furthered her error by voting in support of Kyl-Lieberman, about which we’ve sadly heard little because Senator Obama wasn’t present for the vote. A sad commentary on both.

  Watching her discuss her sniper-landing confirmed my worst fears of both Clintons - that these are people to whom lying comes easily. David Geffen - a former Clinton supporter and current Obama supporter - pointed it out a year ago and took no small amount of hell for it. Bill Bradley himself said a few months back that when it comes to the Clintons, the bigger the lie, the more they believe they can get away with it.

  I’m an Obama supporter who has serious concerns about his qualifications and experience. But I don’t know that anyone is truly qualified to be President. The nearest we’ve come in my lifetime to someone who truly had the resume was Bush 41. Tough to beat someone who was a Congressman, UN Ambassador, US Ambassador to China, Director of the CIA and two-term Vice President. But look where that got us.

  And I can’t look at how she has run her campaign - from the financial troubles, to the blind loyalty (how was Mark Penn ever allowed to stay in the Senator’s employ for so long???), to the constantly changing themes and standards - and conclude that she is an able manager.

• Gob Bluth // May 21, 2008 at 7:33 pm

  Kyle,

  You’ve got me on the height thing. And the centimeters to inches thing is a brilliant McAuliffe-ian touch.

  But how about campaign indebtedness? It seems to me that the candidate who is better able to spend campaign funds into seeming oblivion - including funds loaned by themselves to their campaign - must truly be the better candidate. Obviously.

• Boomer // May 21, 2008 at 7:37 pm

  Breaking…

  The United Mine Workers of America, which claims to represent more coal miners than any other union in the world, announced its endorsement of Barack Obama Wednesday.

  In a statement, UMWA International president Cecil E. Roberts said, “Sen. Obama will implement the clear change in direction UMWA members — indeed, all American working people — must have if they are to once again move forward and have a true opportunity to realize the American dream. After eight years of being pushed aside by an administration which neither respects nor values the contributions American working families make to our society, we are looking forward with great anticipation to a new era in our nation.”

  Interestingly, the statement doesn’t mention Hillary Clinton…

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